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Re: Euro 2008
Are you kidding me?
You are comparing Rugby now to Soccer?
Rugby is all contact with corned ears and tons of injuries. And not a FINESSE sport. Football is contact and with pads. The only time you'd maybe think of diving is on a pass interference... come on now.
Baseball? when is there contact, when your sliding in to a plate?
Soccer is a chess match, moving up the field, and getting that free kick in the right area could mean one nil.. and Victory for your club or country.
There is not just Crosby, i was just using him as he is Canada's best. And maybe Hockeys best.
Lots and lots of players do it, when they have position, and they are usually European. Funny. And sometimes they get the call, go on the powerplay and score. Detroit won the cup. Lots of Europeans there. (not calling them floppers)
Don't get me wrong, I am not in to the diving. I don't like it when guys go down easy and look for calls. But I have seen it since I was 3 years old, and have grown to understand it. As a tactic on so many levels.stalling, resting, slowing down the game, upsetting the opponent, and obviously, getting the foul in key areas.
As well, maybe another arguement....anyone please jump in on this one.
To a degree, I almost rather a player like C.Ronaldo to dive sarcastically out of a way of a tackle, and keep his legs, rather then only go down when he does get clobbered.
We will see him healthier for many more years. And enjoy many more goals of his.
Some of these dives would be fouls/maybe injury if players didn't leap, or flop out of the way of the studs, or tackle.
If you watch the best countries in the world play their game in their countries. ie; Brasil, Argentina, Portugal, Spain, (I can't say Germany as they don't do so much diving and still are tops) They are the worst ones at this diving thing.
These teams play with skill and finesse, and rather go down or "flop" to save there legs etc... and gain position. They were maybe raised in to this? I don't know. But obviously a more effective tactic then taking the tackle like a man and not flopping or overacting to get the call.
I would rather watch a Portugal vs Italy Final anyday.
KNOWING when to go down is also a big part of the game. IT ALWAYS WILL BE!
You can't compare any sport, (maybe hockey) to this.
I really want to stop, but must rant!!
In these South American countries, for example Brasil. I guarantee on there local forum, they are not argueing of diving. They are beyond that. And understand the game for what it is. They know the guy went down to try to get the call. And not whining about if he was really injured or not.
Why? Cause they aren't surrounded by contact sports, and trying to compare soccer, their international game to Hockey, or Football, or even better Rugby.
PLEASE. Watch a Sao Paulo vs Flamencos match. Then talk about diving?
Watch a boca juniors game. And try to bitch to the locals there about diving?
I don't think they would agree much.
last example,.
You push it by a man, he slides and you have to jump and change your stride to get away from the tackle, and cause you have to change it up he missed you, and you could have not moved out of the way, and taken the tackle for the obvious call.
But you jump or change your flow just so the tackle is missed. But cause of this you are not at the same pace, and the second defender comes in and cleans up the play.
You now lost the ball possesion for your team as you jumped out of getting hit.
So what some players do, once they notice that they have lost possesion cause of the defending players missed tackle which changed their stride, is go down anyways and grab there foot with the slightest clip, to show the ref that he disrupted your forward action.
So you take a bit of the tackle, and dive to save your body, but still look for the foul.
You are saying in these situations, players should take the tackle, for the obvious call for the ref?
Most in these "diving" nations, would see the foul/tackle coming and already start the diving/(diving out of getting smoked). Yah it looks "pussy like" COMPARING to your contact sports. But if you are a starting man, and soccer is your bread and butter. Probably the right choice. Especially when you do get the call. And put away the free kick to win 1-0. And just saved your ankles for the next match.
PLEASE.
I would like to see officials crack down on it more. And crunch down on the really really sarcastic ones that give the game a bad name.
But it will NEVER go away. Too many tactics on to many levels involved with going down.
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Originally Posted by LION
Everything you are defending is everything that FIFA is trying to get out of the game. You would blow a gasget if you were pulled down in the box as well as if a player made a ridiculous attempt to draw a foul with a dive against you. Soccer is a physical game but there are limits.
