Final: Germany v. Brazil

Keeper · 06-26-2002, 10:11 PM

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SEOUL (Reuters) - Germany coach Rudi Voeller thought his defence might be their Achilles heel before the tournament kicked off - they have ended up matching a World Cup record for meanness.

Voeller had lost his two most valued defenders, Jens Nowotny and Christian Woerns, through injuries in the build-up to the finals, and was clearly worried his side might leak goals.

But they have conceded only one en route to the big match, a feat achieved previously only by the Netherlands before they lost 2-1 to West Germany in the 1974 final.

Is this correct? Didn't France only concede a single goal in their '98 title? Someone confirm this for me please.

**Regs** · 06-26-2002, 10:30 PM

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Is this correct? Didn't France only concede a single goal in their '98 title?

In a nutshell, no.

Group Stage
France 3-0 South Africa
France 4-0 Saudi Arabia
France 2-1 Denmark

Second Round
France 1-0 Paraguay

Quarters
France 0-0 Italy (4-3 penos)

Semis
France 2-1 Croats

Final
France 3-0 Brazil

~Regs.

**knvb** · 06-26-2002, 10:52 PM

Did someone say 74?

Feeling left out this year and the next 4

Keeper · 06-26-2002, 11:02 PM

Thanks, Regs. I could have sworn they only gave up one. Good thing I didn't bet on it as a Croat or Italian would have.

Thinkin' zee Germans will let in another before all is said and done.

dazza · 06-26-2002, 11:45 PM

Keeper, Mehmet, et al,

Sorry lads, but it's Brazil all the way!

The Germans haven't played anyone of note yet and suddenly they find themselves in the final.

Ronaldhino will be raring to go, along with the other two R's.

Looking forward to the big game on Sunday.

Darrenaldo

p.s. Skill and flair will win in the end!

Keeper · 06-27-2002, 12:54 AM

Sorry Dazza, but some things never change.

Keeper · 06-27-2002, 01:42 PM

Collina is set to ref the final.

CDK · 06-27-2002, 09:04 PM

How the fcuk did these two teams make it to the finals?? They were both shite teams, less than a year ago, and talk of them missing the World Cup was all over the internet soccer sites.

I'm not sure which I would want as World Champions. Oh well, I suppose I'll try and enjoy the game...

Keeper · 06-27-2002, 11:28 PM

Yeah . . . the waiter should've taken it back.

Spazz · 06-29-2002, 08:57 PM

Brazil all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(not that I'd bet money on it....)

Watching the game with a crazy German tomight so it should be interesting............

Spazz

SC · 06-30-2002, 06:47 AM

dazza · 06-30-2002, 10:43 AM

Nicely!!!

daz

Keeper · 07-02-2002, 01:41 PM

What's going on?! It's Tuesday's lunch and there's been more discussion regarding Div 1 realignment than the World Cup Final.

Surely there must be some Brits who'd like to piss on the Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer, Ollie Kahn.

Deaf from silence,
Keeper.

Jimmy Holiday · 07-02-2002, 01:54 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but I just heard he won MVP of the tourney....

What are peoples thoughts on this????

He did have a great tourney but Ronaldo would of been my choice!

Keeper · 07-02-2002, 02:01 PM

I heard that too: Kahn won the Golden Ball Award (MVP). Apparently voting was completed during the consolation game between Turkey and Koreo, and Ronaldo placed 2nd.

That said, think of it this way: a keeper fcuks up and it causes a goal; a striker fcuks up and it is either saved by the keeper or it goes wided or he's stripped of the ball by a defender. Kahn made one mistake during the whole tournament. How many did Ronaldo make?

**kurgan** · 07-02-2002, 03:59 PM

1: Oliver Kahn (Germany) 147 votes - 25 per cent
2: Ronaldo (Brazil) 126 votes - 21 per cent
3: Hong Myung Bo (Korea) 108 votes - 18 per cent
4: Rivaldo (Brazil) 93 votes - 16 per cent
5: Ronaldinho (Brazil) 54 votes - 9 per cent
6: Hasan Sas (Turkey) 26 votes - 4 per cent
7: El Hadji Diouf (Senegal) 15 votes - 3 per cent
8: Roberto Carlos (Brazil) 12 votes - 2 per cent
9: Michael Ballack (Germany) 6 votes - 1 per cent
10: Fernando Hierro (Spain) 5 votes - 1 per cent

Looks like some vote splitting amongst the Brazilians.

Gaffa · 07-02-2002, 04:59 PM

So let me get this straight...you make a blunder like that, it costs Germany the world cup and then they say you are the MVP of the tournament. He wasn't even the best keeper in the tournament...he couldn't catch a bouncing zeppelin. Fcuk me, Seaman only made one mistake all tournament...should he be made MVP?

8 goals was it? I think perhaps your MVP is right there...

Jimmy Holiday · 07-02-2002, 05:07 PM

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That said, think of it this way: a keeper fcuks up and it causes a goal; a striker fcuks up and it is either saved by the keeper or it goes wided or he's stripped of the ball by a defender. Kahn made one mistake during the whole tournament. How many did Ronaldo make?

Keeper

Kahn was unbelievable the whole tourney,even in the finals....To his credit,that shot was very stoppable but that ball was all over the map(Damn new balls).

But.....

Its just that scoring 8 goals in 6 games is a great feat and hardly ever done ..........Ronaldo staked his claim to being the best finisher in the world,and should of been the recepient of the Golden Ball Award..

mehmet · 07-02-2002, 05:20 PM

Gaf,

Sounds like you're bitter that England crashed out so early. I always admired your objectivity in the past, but you seem to have lost every ounce of it in your last post. Allow my to point out the obvious: England couldn't get past the quarters and Germany got to the final - it's safe to say that Kahn carried Germany there - Seaman didn't and couldn't anyway (Martyn would have been a better choice in goal for England). Who ever said that the tournament MVP award has to go the someone on the winning team (I'm assuming the Golden Ball is the MVP award at the WC)? Ron Hextall won the award in '87, when the the Flyers lost the Stanley Cup Final to Edmonton.

I'd take Kahn, Carlos, or Rustu (or whatever the Turkish keeper's name is) in goal before I took Seaman.

A fantastic World Cup for Germany - and Ronaldo and the rest of Brazil too.

Mehmet.

sensei_hanson · 07-02-2002, 05:29 PM

I'd put Rustu's performance for Turkey on-par (if not more important) than Kahn's performance for Germany. That, to me, negates Kahn for MVP right there. If he's not far-and-away the most dominant keeper in the tourney, there's no way in hell he should receive the golden ball.

Whoever voted for Roberto Carlos should be horsewhipped and forced to return to judge figure skating and/or boxing. Use those 12 votes (take a few away from Mr. Edhino and Rivaldo as well) to give Ronaldo the award he deserves.

Which one was Hong Myung Bo?
-Sensei.

06-26-2002, 10:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
knvb Kick'n it old school... A Total Bastard Joined: Aug 2001 Location: Langley Posts: 10,572 Images: 229 TTP Friends: (6)	Bold Bastage Did someone say 74? Feeling left out this year and the next 4

06-26-2002, 11:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
Keeper Member Joined: Jul 2001 Location: - Posts: 5,532 Images: 1172 TTP Friends: (0)	Thanks, Regs. I could have sworn they only gave up one. Good thing I didn't bet on it as a Croat or Italian would have. Thinkin' zee Germans will let in another before all is said and done. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

06-27-2002, 12:54 AM	#6 (permalink)
Keeper Member Joined: Jul 2001 Location: - Posts: 5,532 Images: 1172 TTP Friends: (0)	Sorry Dazza, but some things never change. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

06-27-2002, 01:42 PM	#7 (permalink)
Keeper Member Joined: Jul 2001 Location: - Posts: 5,532 Images: 1172 TTP Friends: (0)	Good news: Collina is set to ref the final. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

06-27-2002, 11:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
Keeper Member Joined: Jul 2001 Location: - Posts: 5,532 Images: 1172 TTP Friends: (0)	Yeah . . . the waiter should've taken it back. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

06-26-2002, 11:45 PM	#5 (permalink)
dazza Member Joined: Jul 2001 Location: White Rock Posts: 790 Images: 1 TTP Friends: (0)	Keeper, Mehmet, et al, Sorry lads, but it's Brazil all the way! The Germans haven't played anyone of note yet and suddenly they find themselves in the final. Ronaldhino will be raring to go, along with the other two R's. Looking forward to the big game on Sunday. Darrenaldo p.s. Skill and flair will win in the end!

06-27-2002, 09:04 PM	#8 (permalink)
CDK Member Joined: Jul 2001 Location: =G= Posts: 1,600 Images: 4 TTP Friends: (0)	How the fcuk did these two teams make it to the finals?? They were both shite teams, less than a year ago, and talk of them missing the World Cup was all over the internet soccer sites. I'm not sure which I would want as World Champions. Oh well, I suppose I'll try and enjoy the game...

06-29-2002, 08:57 PM	#10 (permalink)
Spazz Member Joined: Oct 2001 Location: Slurrey Posts: 782 Images: 64 TTP Friends: (0)	I've gotta agree with Dazza... Brazil all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (not that I'd bet money on it....) Watching the game with a crazy German tomight so it should be interesting............ Spazz

06-30-2002, 06:47 AM	#11 (permalink)
SC Member Joined: Jul 2001 Location: On the fence. Posts: 3,009 Images: 121 TTP Friends: (2)

06-30-2002, 10:43 AM	#12 (permalink)
dazza Member Joined: Jul 2001 Location: White Rock Posts: 790 Images: 1 TTP Friends: (0)	2-0 Aristocrats Nicely!!! daz

07-02-2002, 01:41 PM	#13 (permalink)
Keeper Member Joined: Jul 2001 Location: - Posts: 5,532 Images: 1172 TTP Friends: (0)	WTF? What's going on?! It's Tuesday's lunch and there's been more discussion regarding Div 1 realignment than the World Cup Final. Surely there must be some Brits who'd like to piss on the Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer, Ollie Kahn. Deaf from silence, Keeper. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

07-02-2002, 01:54 PM	#14 (permalink)
Jimmy Holiday Member Joined: Jul 2001 Location: Newlands Golf and Country Posts: 875 TTP Friends: (0)	Ollie Khan Correct me if I'm wrong but I just heard he won MVP of the tourney.... What are peoples thoughts on this???? He did have a great tourney but Ronaldo would of been my choice!

07-02-2002, 02:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
Keeper Member Joined: Jul 2001 Location: - Posts: 5,532 Images: 1172 TTP Friends: (0)	I heard that too: Kahn won the Golden Ball Award (MVP). Apparently voting was completed during the consolation game between Turkey and Koreo, and Ronaldo placed 2nd. That said, think of it this way: a keeper fcuks up and it causes a goal; a striker fcuks up and it is either saved by the keeper or it goes wided or he's stripped of the ball by a defender. Kahn made one mistake during the whole tournament. How many did Ronaldo make? __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

07-02-2002, 03:59 PM	#16 (permalink)
kurgan Premium Member A Better Bastard Joined: Jul 2001 Location: Vancouver Posts: 603 Images: 8 TTP Friends: (1)	Golden, Silver and Bronze Balls 1: Oliver Kahn (Germany) 147 votes - 25 per cent 2: Ronaldo (Brazil) 126 votes - 21 per cent 3: Hong Myung Bo (Korea) 108 votes - 18 per cent 4: Rivaldo (Brazil) 93 votes - 16 per cent 5: Ronaldinho (Brazil) 54 votes - 9 per cent 6: Hasan Sas (Turkey) 26 votes - 4 per cent 7: El Hadji Diouf (Senegal) 15 votes - 3 per cent 8: Roberto Carlos (Brazil) 12 votes - 2 per cent 9: Michael Ballack (Germany) 6 votes - 1 per cent 10: Fernando Hierro (Spain) 5 votes - 1 per cent Looks like some vote splitting amongst the Brazilians.

07-02-2002, 04:59 PM	#17 (permalink)
Gaffa Member Joined: Jul 2001 Location: Connaught Park Posts: 264 TTP Friends: (0)	You 're kidding, right? So let me get this straight...you make a blunder like that, it costs Germany the world cup and then they say you are the MVP of the tournament. He wasn't even the best keeper in the tournament...he couldn't catch a bouncing zeppelin. Fcuk me, Seaman only made one mistake all tournament...should he be made MVP? 8 goals was it? I think perhaps your MVP is right there...

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07-02-2002, 05:20 PM	#19 (permalink)
mehmet Member Joined: Aug 2001 Location: Oman Posts: 70 TTP Friends: (0)	Reality Check!!!! Gaf, Sounds like you're bitter that England crashed out so early. I always admired your objectivity in the past, but you seem to have lost every ounce of it in your last post. Allow my to point out the obvious: England couldn't get past the quarters and Germany got to the final - it's safe to say that Kahn carried Germany there - Seaman didn't and couldn't anyway (Martyn would have been a better choice in goal for England). Who ever said that the tournament MVP award has to go the someone on the winning team (I'm assuming the Golden Ball is the MVP award at the WC)? Ron Hextall won the award in '87, when the the Flyers lost the Stanley Cup Final to Edmonton. I'd take Kahn, Carlos, or Rustu (or whatever the Turkish keeper's name is) in goal before I took Seaman. A fantastic World Cup for Germany - and Ronaldo and the rest of Brazil too. Mehmet.

07-02-2002, 05:29 PM	#20 (permalink)
sensei_hanson Member Joined: Jun 2001 Location: The China Club Posts: 1,547 Images: 31 TTP Friends: (0)	I'd put Rustu's performance for Turkey on-par (if not more important) than Kahn's performance for Germany. That, to me, negates Kahn for MVP right there. If he's not far-and-away the most dominant keeper in the tourney, there's no way in hell he should receive the golden ball. Whoever voted for Roberto Carlos should be horsewhipped and forced to return to judge figure skating and/or boxing. Use those 12 votes (take a few away from Mr. Edhino and Rivaldo as well) to give Ronaldo the award he deserves. Which one was Hong Myung Bo? -Sensei.