Div 2 format change?

[Yoda]

I have read a few people over the last few weeks, now that the cream is rising to the top of each division, that some teams are just too good. Complaints about premier players etc

Should we maybe start thinking of segregating (sp?) the divisions and putting all the top teams into 1 division and work our way downt he standings?

Idea Being:
After this year put the top 3 teams in each division, plus 1, into A, then the next 3 in each division, plus 1, into B, then the rest in C?

Relegate between A,B, and C, and only A having the opportunity to move up to Div 1, the rest can relegate or promote within the division, with the last 2 in C going to Div 3?

Thoughts?

[italian_stallion21]

Originally Posted by Yoda

I have read a few people over the last few weeks, now that the cream is rising to the top of each division, that some teams are just too good. Complaints about premier players etc

Should we maybe start thinking of segregating (sp?) the divisions and putting all the top teams into 1 division and work our way downt he standings?

Idea Being:
After this year put the top 3 teams in each division, plus 1, into A, then the next 3 in each division, plus 1, into B, then the rest in C?

Relegate between A,B, and C, and only A having the opportunity to move up to Div 1, the rest can relegate or promote within the division, with the last 2 in C going to Div 3?

Thoughts?

Good idea, but then a team that has started in D3 needs to be promoted 3 times before going to D1? In some cases the team may need that to get there, but what if they don't? Very discouraging I would think. There definitely has to be some sort of restructuring though as blow outs aren't fun for either side (plus hate to travel for them). Still think there needs to be at least a D4, if not D5 too. The unfortunate thing is the years it would take for the divisions to settle properly to have competitive games week in week out.

[Woodsy]

Would that mean that the nationals and all GEU teams would be in C then? Im confused. Seriously though - every group in Div 2 seems exactly the same. 3 really good teams, 2 or 3 half decent teams, and the rest shouldnt be there. Year after year the same crappy teams stay in Div 2. I think we have to demote more teams somewhere(possibly div 3 or 4). I agree that something must be done because teams that finish in 8th place with 5 points all year should be gone. Everyone is complaining about ex premier guys playing in Div 2 . Too bad - if you are not good enough to play with them then maybe you should be in div 3.

[italian_stallion21]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Would that mean that the nationals and all GEU teams would be in C then? Im confused. Seriously though - every group in Div 2 seems exactly the same. 3 really good teams, 2 or 3 half decent teams, and the rest shouldnt be there. Year after year the same crappy teams stay in Div 2. I think we have to demote more teams somewhere(possibly div 3 or 4). I agree that something must be done because teams that finish in 8th place with 5 points all year should be gone. Everyone is complaining about ex premier guys playing in Div 2 . Too bad - if you are not good enough to play with them then maybe you should be in div 3.

It also doesn't help with 6 teams being relegated/promoted either. There's not enough teams that will have the quality to compete in D2. Sure you'll get rid of 6 horrible teams, but if the season ended today, you're only bringing up 2, maybe 3 teams that could possibly finish mid-table so you're still bringing up the shite that's going to get spanked every game.

[Jack The Lad]

As I have said before. There should be 10 teams in Div. 1 and 2 10 team Div. in Div. 2, and so on and so forth. There are too many crappy teams in Div. 2 and for that matter Div. 1 as well from what I hear.

Lets see some action on this because it isn't fun blowing teams out and I would imagine it is not fun getting blown out.

JTL

[Jack The Lad]

Also, I agree - stop bitching about premier players on teams. We're not premier players anymore, we are Div. 2 players. Eventually guys aren't good enough, get too old, too slow, less desire - where are they supposed to go if they can't or choose not to play at a more serious level. Any thoughts complainers. You know who you are?

JTL

[Dude]

JTL...bang on. The league really needs Prem plus divisions 1-5. Still feel that what they did this year to Div. 1 was a candy ass solution to a bigger problem. Enevitably, they'll have to fix it.

[italian_stallion21]

And instead of more 'candy ass solutions', the league should just go ahead and implement a structure like JTL's for next season. Yes, it will upset some I'm sure, but you might as well do it all at once, the dust will settle faster this way. The major problem I see is how to rank the teams. Prem, D1 and D2 would be easy, top 10 stay in D1, bottom 10 plus top 10 in D2 stay in D2. The rest is where it get's ugly, how would you go about structuring that? There's going to be some D3 teams that are better than the bottom D2 teams.

[Jack The Lad]

I believe that leaves 40 teams for Div. 3 and 4. Put the other 20 from Div. 2 in Div. 3 and the Div. 3 in Div. 4 but still promote the Div. 3 teams to Div. 2 that deserved it and demote the bottom Div. 2 teams to Div. 4. Tough beans.

I don't think you can do that mid season. But if you announce before the start of the season then teams know what is at stake and they can't argue with it at the end of the year.

I would personally volunteer to help the FVSL with divisional realignment. The realignment would make the FVSL better and more competitive as a whole.

JTL

[italian_stallion21]

Originally Posted by Jack The Lad

I believe that leaves 40 teams for Div. 3 and 4. Put the other 20 from Div. 2 in Div. 3 and the Div. 3 in Div. 4 but still promote the Div. 3 teams to Div. 2 that deserved it and demote the bottom Div. 2 teams to Div. 4. Tough beans.

I don't think you can do that mid season. But if you announce before the start of the season then teams know what is at stake and they can't argue with it at the end of the year.

I would personally volunteer to help the FVSL with divisional realignment. The realignment would make the FVSL better and more competitive as a whole.

JTL

Exactly, they should start preparing to have this done sooner rather than later, so it's not like the surprise D1 got this year. Now does anyone think this will get done?

[ghouse]

Easy to fix the problem guys,,if a team wins its div and has to move up,,,make them move up and not give them a choise to stay back and dominate,,if they dont want to move up they need to lose a game or two,,this way the div 1 teams who needs to fall back can thus keeping things closer,,that is why this system was developed in the first place. It works if you follow the rules...thus no problems

[Superstriker]

Originally Posted by ghouse

Easy to fix the problem guys,,if a team wins its div and has to move up,,,make them move up and not give them a choise to stay back and dominate,,if they dont want to move up they need to lose a game or two,,this way the div 1 teams who needs to fall back can thus keeping things closer,,that is why this system was developed in the first place. It works if you follow the rules...thus no problems

I agree with this statement...for far too long teams have been allowed to play in whatever div they wanted regardless of where they finished...it has to be mandatory promotion and relegation...tough beans if the team isnt as good the following year then they will get relegated back...So JTL are you sayin that the DFC teams will move up next year seein as they will win their divs.

I hope so cuz as much fun as it was kickin your butts last year... ....it was less fun gettin the payback this year..we're havin a good year other than that game really...so plz move up so we dont gta do that again...

[Woodsy]

You dont think that the div 1 teams coming down to div 2 wont dominate the weaker teams left in div2 after relegation. The teams from roughly 4th place to 8th place are still the same and are not very good.

[ghouse]

mabee but its a proven method,,remember every year teams change so much whos to say what may happen...most teams try to improve and the ones who dont will eventually find a level of play which suits them.

[Jack The Lad]

Originally Posted by Superstriker

I agree with this statement...for far too long teams have been allowed to play in whatever div they wanted regardless of where they finished...it has to be mandatory promotion and relegation...tough beans if the team isnt as good the following year then they will get relegated back...So JTL are you sayin that the DFC teams will move up next year seein as they will win their divs.

I hope so cuz as much fun as it was kickin your butts last year... ....it was less fun gettin the payback this year..we're havin a good year other than that game really...so plz move up so we dont gta do that again...

Sounds to me like you can dish it out but can't take it in return. Moving up will have to go to a team vote for our team. The problem with it is that we some of the guys that have been on our team since day 1 couldn't play in Div. 1 and we don't want to lose those players.

JTL

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Jack The Lad

Sounds to me like you can dish it out but can't take it in return. Moving up will have to go to a team vote for our team. The problem with it is that we some of the guys that have been on our team since day 1 couldn't play in Div. 1 and we don't want to lose those players.

JTL

Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't the top three teams in div 2 have a playoff with the second to last div 1 team to see which 3 of 4 go up??? Wouldn't this mean only one Dewdeny team could sandbag in the playoffs which would result in one of you guys being forced to go up.

[Jack The Lad]

On the FVSL website it states that the bottom 3 in Div. 1 go down and the top from each of Div. 2 A, B and C go up. My understanding however, is that teams do have a choice.

JTL

[Superstriker]

Originally Posted by Jack The Lad

On the FVSL website it states that the bottom 3 in Div. 1 go down and the top from each of Div. 2 A, B and C go up. My understanding however, is that teams do have a choice.

JTL

Ya well thats where the problem comes in...if you win you should be required to move up...I understand that not all the players on your team may be div. 1 calibre...we have the same prob but I think overall the team is good enough. So maybe they get less time on the pitch. Doesn't mean they can't be on the team at all. Of course it's easier to dish out then take it...you will agree with that...You weren't happy on the game where you were on the receiving end, in fact you took a red card cuz you were frustrated.. ....We're not bitter at all, it's part of the game, got to drink beers after and that's what it's about for us

[Jack The Lad]

Originally Posted by Superstriker

Of course it's easier to dish out then take it...you will agree with that...You weren't happy on the game where you were on the receiving end, in fact you took a red card cuz you were frustrated.. ....We're not bitter at all, it's part of the game, got to drink beers after and that's what it's about for us

I took a red card because I was frustrated by the lack of calls by the ref. After a while you get tired of getting whacked with no intent to win the ball so I tackled one of your players who had the ball in the same manner but I guess forwards aren't allowed to tackle the same way defenders are. I guess the difference is that I didn't come on here and whine about it. Just for the record, that loss was good for us - it opened our eyes up, we made some changes and went on a 10 game winning streak including cup games in the second half of the season. We were very much looking forward to our second game last year but unfortunately it didn't get played.

JTL

[bulljive]

stop bitching about the level of play in div.2 or don't play there. Don't expect the league to make a perfect div 2 full of 10 or 20 teams on the same level. In every division you have top teams and teams that are there for the taking. if you are too good for div 2 play div 1. Honestly div 2 is supposed to be a pretty average division and the bottom teams will always be shite and the top teams could probably compete in div 1. If the top teams keep staying down you just fukc up the other divisions. selfish kunts...