FVSL rumours and various scuttlebutt

**knvb** · 07-07-2006, 09:27 AM

Any rumours out there for the up-coming season? What's this I hear about PAU moving clubs? Any truth?

6'5' is joining the other Delta team?
Lion is going to the Rangers?
Cooper ate all the chicken pies?
J-Becker is moving to Surrey United?

**Hands of Stone** · 07-07-2006, 03:39 PM

knvb and knowone to Surrey Rangers, riding the bench for most of the season.

Lets Go Rangers

hos

**knvb** · 07-13-2006, 01:58 PM

Rumour has it the FVSL scrapped the CAT system. Can anyone confirm? What a great idea as long as clubs with Premier, Div 1 and Div 2 can move players up and down as they see fit. Well, maybe a restriction on the amount of player at a time going up and down, but if it’s true, good on them.

**Yoda** · 07-13-2006, 02:03 PM

Guess that makes my decision easier this year.

**utah** · 07-13-2006, 03:36 PM

Definately true. Just confirmed by LFC2.

**knvb** · 07-13-2006, 03:56 PM

As I hear it there is no movement down. What’s the bloody point if you can’t send guys down? Why the hell would a club have more than a Premier side? Why are they not rewarding clubs for doing it right? If you thought fringe players weren’t happy about sitting on the bench and playing CAT games before… just wait until they never touch the pitch now. Premier sides will lack serious depth if they can't keep these roll players happy, won't they?

**Yoda** · 07-13-2006, 04:22 PM

If that's the "roll players" attitude, why would you want them?
Bring up a Div 1 player full time and get rid of them.

crafty cokcney · 07-13-2006, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knvb

As I hear it there is no movement down. What’s the bloody point if you can’t send guys down? Why the hell would a club have more than a Premier side? Why are they not rewarding clubs for doing it right? If you thought fringe players weren’t happy about sitting on the bench and playing CAT games before… just wait until they never touch the pitch now. Premier sides will lack serious depth if they can't keep these roll players happy, won't they?

Spot on. I sent these comments off to the FVSL and the other coaches as these are my sentiments exactly. Not one reply to date.

We will now have two division 1 teams in our club. The league is going back to its familiar beer league format of the past by scrapping the development system created by the clubs.

Our CAT team will be our second division 1 team and we will try to utilize the system as best we can to move players between both teams until the Cup deadline. In other words we sign 11 core players to Premier only and the other 29 will be signed to division 1....

Not sure what else we can do to try and keep the development program intact as we build and develop our future premier players.

I think I'm going to apply for Dick Bate's job and make it mandatory for all teams to have a club format to qualify for any amateur Provincial recognition.

midman · 07-13-2006, 08:29 PM

What happens to the CAT teams if there is no CAT division? Do they all go to Div 2 or Div 1 or where ever they want? How are they going to sort it out?

Dude · 07-13-2006, 08:54 PM

Crafty & KNVB: agreed. Here they had a chance to make it better, but, two steps backwards.

Allow 5 players per week to play a level down. Simple. Most prem squads carry around 18-20. Doubtfull that no more than 15 get into a game every week anyhow.

As for allignment, this will be interesting...

Some Cat teams should play 1st, most should play 2nd, and a few should fold. Can predict Langley's will fold.

**knvb** · 07-13-2006, 09:20 PM

Dude, kindly stop agreeing with me. To be honest, it gives me the creeps.

Crafty, I have enough groups, ethnic or organized, not to say that ethnics aren't organized, you see, that want my head on a stick as it is , so please tell me you at least attached your name to that and not mine?

crafty cokcney · 07-13-2006, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knvb

Dude, kindly stop agreeing with me. To be honest, it gives me the creeps.

Crafty, I have enough groups, ethnic or organized, not to say that ethnics aren't organized, you see, that want my head on a stick as it is , so please tell me you at least attached your name to that and not mine?

You have nothing to worry about knvb.!

It had my signature all over it..

outkast · 07-14-2006, 10:11 AM

Agreed that it seems stupid that prem players can not move down.
I think we'll really see the old cat teams (new div.1 teams) really struggle after the signing deadline. The premier teams will go from 11 players signed to taking the 4-5 best players off the div 1 teams.

Right idea, wrong outcome.

**knvb** · 07-14-2006, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crafty cokcney

You have nothing to worry about knvb.!

It had my signature all over it..

You’re a good man Crafty, despite what everyone says about you.

Dude · 07-14-2006, 10:18 AM

Outkast...nail on the head there. That's exactly the problem...if they allowed 5 players / week to play down, they wouldn't be hurting anyone, and they would be encouraging clubs to use the club system. I know for a fact that this rule will affect some players decision, either to sign up and play less, or sign down and forgo premier alltogether. There are more than likely some vets out there now that will choose to retire from Prem, instead of signing w/ Prem for Cup purposes, but playing mostly down.

Shame...unless we're not getting the full story here.

Coach? What's the scoop. I know you read this...

**sixfyv** · 07-14-2006, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knvb

Any rumours out there for the up-coming season? What's this I hear about PAU moving clubs? Any truth?

6'5' is joining the other Delta team?

Huh? The Lions? Surely you jest...

sixfyvwillbefocussingonhomerenovationsandanotherchildthisyea rafterenduringthemostfrustratingseasoneverin05/06

**knvb** · 07-14-2006, 02:03 PM

I was, yes. And quit calling me Shirley.

Dude · 07-14-2006, 02:16 PM

I spoke w/ an Anonymous Soccer Source from inside the FVSL league executive this morning.

My ASS tells me that the reason why they did not allow any premier players to drop down to div. 1 in the regular season was because it could have an inverse affect on the integrity of that division. My ASS feels that by allowing any number of Prem players to drop down (weather that be 5, 10, or unlimited), it could lead to certain 1st Div teams stacking games on any given week.

Here is a scenario my ASS put forward: let's say the North Delta Lions, as the halfway mark rolls around, are having a shitter of a season and in danger of relegation, but their 1st Div team is hovering near the top of their division. My ASS feel that the opportunity would be available for the club to save their Premier spot, rather than let it go down the toilet, by stacking the 1st Division team so as to ensure promotion. My ASS suggested that Clubs can still use the club system to their advantage by only signing the 11 or so core to Prem, and the rest down to 1st. This would allow those 1st div signed players to play down up till the signing deadline, when they would most likely be transferred up.

After a bit more prodding, my ASS also offered up the following juicy tidbit: there will likely be 20 teams in 1st next year. This means some of the Cat teams will move over, and likely some 2nd div squads will be moved up. My ASS feels it can find room for an extra 10 teams. Astonishing, I know, but apparently my ASS is up to giving it a go.

Personally, I like the idea of 14 teams: two sides of 7. Play teams on your side once, then one cross over game. This will mean every Div 1 team has 19 league games, instead of 18 last season. My ASS doesn't like the idea of a cross-over, but I digress. Honestly, there are likely only 4 quality Cat teams that should move over:

Golden Ears United S.C.
Delta Metro United
Peace Arch United
Chilliwack Rapids

The other would likely be fine in Div. 2, or simply fold. If you looked at last year, the top 4 seemed to be the only ones trying to make it work, anyhow. The rest were just filling space and obligation to the league.

Any comments on the stuff coming out of my ASS?

Dude · 07-14-2006, 02:34 PM

BTW: the new allignments are not set yet...all that has been decided is that Cat is gone.

Sliver · 07-14-2006, 03:24 PM

lol, nice post.

I'm sure your ASS does like the prodding.

07-07-2006, 09:27 AM	#1 (permalink)
knvb Kick'n it old school... A Total Bastard Joined: Aug 2001 Location: Langley Posts: 10,593 Images: 229 TTP Friends: (6)	FVSL rumours and various scuttlebutt Any rumours out there for the up-coming season? What's this I hear about PAU moving clubs? Any truth? 6'5' is joining the other Delta team? Lion is going to the Rangers? Cooper ate all the chicken pies? J-Becker is moving to Surrey United? Last edited by knvb; 07-07-2006 at 09:30 AM.

07-07-2006, 03:39 PM	#2 (permalink)
Hands of Stone Premium Member A Better Bastard Joined: Jul 2001 Location: The NAP, Home of the Mighty Rangers Posts: 4,459 Images: 7 TTP Friends: (6)	Re: FVSL rumours and various scuttlebutt knvb and knowone to Surrey Rangers, riding the bench for most of the season. Lets Go Rangers hos

07-13-2006, 01:58 PM	#3 (permalink)
knvb Kick'n it old school... A Total Bastard Joined: Aug 2001 Location: Langley Posts: 10,593 Images: 229 TTP Friends: (6)	Re: FVSL rumours and various scuttlebutt Rumour has it the FVSL scrapped the CAT system. Can anyone confirm? What a great idea as long as clubs with Premier, Div 1 and Div 2 can move players up and down as they see fit. Well, maybe a restriction on the amount of player at a time going up and down, but if it’s true, good on them.

07-13-2006, 02:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
Yoda Premium Member A Better Bastard Joined: Jul 2001 Location: Neither here nor there Posts: 4,496 Images: 21 TTP Friends: (7)	Re: FVSL rumours and various scuttlebutt Guess that makes my decision easier this year. __________________ The person with the fastest golf cart never has a bad lie.

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utah Premium Member A Better Bastard Joined: Sep 2003 Location: Langley Posts: 505 TTP Friends: (0)	Re: FVSL rumours and various scuttlebutt Definately true. Just confirmed by LFC2.

07-13-2006, 03:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
knvb Kick'n it old school... A Total Bastard Joined: Aug 2001 Location: Langley Posts: 10,593 Images: 229 TTP Friends: (6)	Re: FVSL rumours and various scuttlebutt As I hear it there is no movement down. What’s the bloody point if you can’t send guys down? Why the hell would a club have more than a Premier side? Why are they not rewarding clubs for doing it right? If you thought fringe players weren’t happy about sitting on the bench and playing CAT games before… just wait until they never touch the pitch now. Premier sides will lack serious depth if they can't keep these roll players happy, won't they? Last edited by knvb; 07-13-2006 at 04:11 PM.

07-13-2006, 04:22 PM	#7 (permalink)
Yoda Premium Member A Better Bastard Joined: Jul 2001 Location: Neither here nor there Posts: 4,496 Images: 21 TTP Friends: (7)	Re: FVSL rumours and various scuttlebutt If that's the "roll players" attitude, why would you want them? Bring up a Div 1 player full time and get rid of them. __________________ The person with the fastest golf cart never has a bad lie.

07-13-2006, 08:29 PM	#9 (permalink)
midman Member Joined: Oct 2003 Location: Different Class Posts: 57 TTP Friends: (1)	Re: FVSL rumours and various scuttlebutt What happens to the CAT teams if there is no CAT division? Do they all go to Div 2 or Div 1 or where ever they want? How are they going to sort it out?

07-13-2006, 08:54 PM	#10 (permalink)
Dude Member Joined: Jul 2001 Location: Where my kids are Posts: 8,296 Images: 66 TTP Friends: (3)	Re: FVSL rumours and various scuttlebutt Crafty & KNVB: agreed. Here they had a chance to make it better, but, two steps backwards. Allow 5 players per week to play a level down. Simple. Most prem squads carry around 18-20. Doubtfull that no more than 15 get into a game every week anyhow. As for allignment, this will be interesting... Some Cat teams should play 1st, most should play 2nd, and a few should fold. Can predict Langley's will fold. __________________ Om nom nom nom...

07-13-2006, 09:20 PM	#11 (permalink)
knvb Kick'n it old school... A Total Bastard Joined: Aug 2001 Location: Langley Posts: 10,593 Images: 229 TTP Friends: (6)	Re: FVSL rumours and various scuttlebutt Dude, kindly stop agreeing with me. To be honest, it gives me the creeps. Crafty, I have enough groups, ethnic or organized, not to say that ethnics aren't organized, you see, that want my head on a stick as it is , so please tell me you at least attached your name to that and not mine?

07-14-2006, 10:11 AM	#13 (permalink)
outkast Member Joined: Jan 2004 Location: coast Posts: 503 TTP Friends: (3)	Re: FVSL rumours and various scuttlebutt Agreed that it seems stupid that prem players can not move down. I think we'll really see the old cat teams (new div.1 teams) really struggle after the signing deadline. The premier teams will go from 11 players signed to taking the 4-5 best players off the div 1 teams. Right idea, wrong outcome.

07-14-2006, 10:18 AM	#15 (permalink)
Dude Member Joined: Jul 2001 Location: Where my kids are Posts: 8,296 Images: 66 TTP Friends: (3)	Re: FVSL rumours and various scuttlebutt Outkast...nail on the head there. That's exactly the problem...if they allowed 5 players / week to play down, they wouldn't be hurting anyone, and they would be encouraging clubs to use the club system. I know for a fact that this rule will affect some players decision, either to sign up and play less, or sign down and forgo premier alltogether. There are more than likely some vets out there now that will choose to retire from Prem, instead of signing w/ Prem for Cup purposes, but playing mostly down. Shame...unless we're not getting the full story here. Coach? What's the scoop. I know you read this... __________________ Om nom nom nom...

07-14-2006, 02:03 PM	#17 (permalink)
knvb Kick'n it old school... A Total Bastard Joined: Aug 2001 Location: Langley Posts: 10,593 Images: 229 TTP Friends: (6)	Re: FVSL rumours and various scuttlebutt I was, yes. And quit calling me Shirley.

07-14-2006, 02:16 PM	#18 (permalink)
Dude Member Joined: Jul 2001 Location: Where my kids are Posts: 8,296 Images: 66 TTP Friends: (3)	Info from an Anonymous Soccer Source I spoke w/ an Anonymous Soccer Source from inside the FVSL league executive this morning. My ASS tells me that the reason why they did not allow any premier players to drop down to div. 1 in the regular season was because it could have an inverse affect on the integrity of that division. My ASS feels that by allowing any number of Prem players to drop down (weather that be 5, 10, or unlimited), it could lead to certain 1st Div teams stacking games on any given week. Here is a scenario my ASS put forward: let's say the North Delta Lions, as the halfway mark rolls around, are having a shitter of a season and in danger of relegation, but their 1st Div team is hovering near the top of their division. My ASS feel that the opportunity would be available for the club to save their Premier spot, rather than let it go down the toilet, by stacking the 1st Division team so as to ensure promotion. My ASS suggested that Clubs can still use the club system to their advantage by only signing the 11 or so core to Prem, and the rest down to 1st. This would allow those 1st div signed players to play down up till the signing deadline, when they would most likely be transferred up. After a bit more prodding, my ASS also offered up the following juicy tidbit: there will likely be 20 teams in 1st next year. This means some of the Cat teams will move over, and likely some 2nd div squads will be moved up. My ASS feels it can find room for an extra 10 teams. Astonishing, I know, but apparently my ASS is up to giving it a go. Personally, I like the idea of 14 teams: two sides of 7. Play teams on your side once, then one cross over game. This will mean every Div 1 team has 19 league games, instead of 18 last season. My ASS doesn't like the idea of a cross-over, but I digress. Honestly, there are likely only 4 quality Cat teams that should move over: Golden Ears United S.C. Delta Metro United Peace Arch United Chilliwack Rapids The other would likely be fine in Div. 2, or simply fold. If you looked at last year, the top 4 seemed to be the only ones trying to make it work, anyhow. The rest were just filling space and obligation to the league. Any comments on the stuff coming out of my ASS? __________________ Om nom nom nom... Last edited by Dude; 07-14-2006 at 02:25 PM.

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Dude Member Joined: Jul 2001 Location: Where my kids are Posts: 8,296 Images: 66 TTP Friends: (3)	Re: FVSL rumours and various scuttlebutt BTW: the new allignments are not set yet...all that has been decided is that Cat is gone. __________________ Om nom nom nom...

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07-14-2006, 03:24 PM	#20 (permalink)
Sliver Member Joined: Jul 2001 Location: Tri Cities Posts: 949 Images: 29 TTP Friends: (0)	Re: FVSL rumours and various scuttlebutt lol, nice post. I'm sure your ASS does like the prodding.