Yellow Cards = Dirty Team ?

Oldtimer · 12-10-2007, 11:49 AM

Talking with other coaches and players, discussion always turns to dirty players and teams, so I was thinking, does the number of cards a team takes equate to a team being dirty? Or is it just a team being "yappy" and not dirty? Or a ref "having a grudge" against a team or player? Or a "bad rep"?
Looking at the Discipline Page on our web-site, I counted the yellows for the teams in our group (2B), and heres the break-down
Aldergrove United -14 yellows
GEU Tigers -13
Surrey Bullets -12
Whalley Strikers -11
GEU Rams -10
Langley Wolves - 9
Poco United - 8
Pomo Lions - 6
Coq. Ajax - 5
Poco Royals -5
Reading the posts on TTP you hear of Westcoast being a dirty team, so I counted their yellows and it was 17. I believe that teams do "earn" a reputation for being "dirty" or "yappy" and that refs do know who or what teams to look out for, I was surprised at Aldergrove, for when we played them it was a clean game with no cards. Any thoughts on this subject?

Kevin Hector · 12-10-2007, 12:15 PM

Aldergrove are a good grouip of guys. not a dirty team at all.

**johnnybluenose** · 12-10-2007, 12:25 PM

Man, it is ref specific. Like I always say...refs have the hardest thankless jobs, and all too often they take way more stick than they deserve. That being said one or two games with one of the very select few that have no business officiating U-12 girls (no offense to the wee lassies) can sky-rocket your card count right quick, also putting players into suspension zone too early for really nothing. There are a few guys that make 1 bad call, then spend the whole evening dishing out yellows like candy to cover their tracks.

I have two yellows myself this year from referees giving me them for dissent by simply asking if they have changed a call (1. Referee signalled Corner, than as he walked to the spot and got "effed off" by a player for 30 yards decided to award Peno!? 2. Guy calls foul on our their guy 2 foot sliding our guy from behind then gives free kick to offending team) I know I am not entitled to ask, but they gave me the yellow for calmly asking a question I already knew the answer to, meanwhile they allowed the other team to "eff them off" go figure...

I honestly believe the referees need soemthing different than having just yellow cards, they need a new card for dissent, or for foul play.

So I say NO. there for the most part, should be zero corrolation between card count and how 'dirty' a team is.

**The Franchise** · 12-10-2007, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldtimer

Talking with other coaches and players, discussion always turns to dirty players and teams, so I was thinking, does the number of cards a team takes equate to a team being dirty? Or is it just a team being "yappy" and not dirty? Or a ref "having a grudge" against a team or player? Or a "bad rep"?
Looking at the Discipline Page on our web-site, I counted the yellows for the teams in our group (2B), and heres the break-down
Aldergrove United -14 yellows
GEU Tigers -13
Surrey Bullets -12
Whalley Strikers -11
GEU Rams -10
Langley Wolves - 9
Poco United - 8
Pomo Lions - 6
Coq. Ajax - 5
Poco Royals -5
Reading the posts on TTP you hear of Westcoast being a dirty team, so I counted their yellows and it was 17. I believe that teams do "earn" a reputation for being "dirty" or "yappy" and that refs do know who or what teams to look out for, I was surprised at Aldergrove, for when we played them it was a clean game with no cards. Any thoughts on this subject?

8 of those 10 yellows for us (Rams) were against the Bullets. ..(yer...shitty officating....hmmm)

Oldtimer · 12-10-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

8 of those 10 yellows for us (Rams) were against the Bullets. ..(yer...shitty officating....hmmm)

Good point Franchise, but shouldn't you guys have learned after... hmm 4th... maybe... 5th yellow? and toned it down a little?

Kevin Hector · 12-10-2007, 01:34 PM

how could we? we would just look at the ref and he'd pull out a card. and we only 7 vs the bullets.

**The Franchise** · 12-10-2007, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldtimer

Good point Franchise, but shouldn't you guys have learned after... hmm 4th... maybe... 5th yellow? and toned it down a little?

7 yellows 2 reds....Me thinks Martin was one sided.....look at our games since then and the cards

Kevin Hector · 12-10-2007, 05:11 PM

yeah just one Red lol and another Yellow for Dom against Martins buddy Ward

WestCoast · 12-10-2007, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldtimer

Talking with other coaches and players, discussion always turns to dirty players and teams, so I was thinking, does the number of cards a team takes equate to a team being dirty? Or is it just a team being "yappy" and not dirty? Or a ref "having a grudge" against a team or player? Or a "bad rep"?
Looking at the Discipline Page on our web-site, I counted the yellows for the teams in our group (2B), and heres the break-down
Aldergrove United -14 yellows
GEU Tigers -13
Surrey Bullets -12
Whalley Strikers -11
GEU Rams -10
Langley Wolves - 9
Poco United - 8
Pomo Lions - 6
Coq. Ajax - 5
Poco Royals -5
Reading the posts on TTP you hear of Westcoast being a dirty team, so I counted their yellows and it was 17. I believe that teams do "earn" a reputation for being "dirty" or "yappy" and that refs do know who or what teams to look out for, I was surprised at Aldergrove, for when we played them it was a clean game with no cards. Any thoughts on this subject?

Your life must be full, if your counting yellow cards on the fvsl site.
Here's a tip get a life and count the number of lonely nights you have.

Richy9 · 12-10-2007, 06:32 PM

I have 2 Yellows, Out of the 9 from our team, But I think most of ours are from being yappy. I dont know how the Ajax only have 5 they are a dirty team, at least when we play them. (I guess most of theirs are red)

**kjohnsob** · 12-10-2007, 09:03 PM

We have 13, by my count, 4 are for fouls, the other 9 are for yapping...learn to shut up john

*BlazeArmy* · 12-11-2007, 09:33 AM

One of our u21's has gotten 2 reds this year for yapping. Total 9 games of suspension nad $90 of league fines.

this from a kid who is doesn't normally talk to refs and tries to calm his teammates down. On the plus side his 2 reds have cost him 2-30 packs of beer so far in "team management" fines. The team has also gelled as a result of missing him, their hardest working and best player, and have really taken a step forward since he has been gone for the second time. I think it will make all the difference when he returns in Jan.

Oldtimer · 12-11-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Richy9

I have 2 Yellows, Out of the 9 from our team, But I think most of ours are from being yappy. I dont know how the Ajax only have 5 they are a dirty team, at least when we play them. (I guess most of theirs are red)

Richy9, only one red, our keeper in our first game against you guys when he tripped your striker outside the 18 (was that you?) as he was going around him. In our second game against you, one of our defenders WAS going out of his way to play the body, not the ball, and it cost us the first goal. For the most part we are not a dirty team, as the 5 yellows would indicate, unless all the refs are blind!

Dude · 12-11-2007, 11:03 AM

Lots of yellows usually just means a team is competitive. Weather that be by going in hard, often, or by letting emotions get carried away in the form of yapping.

Too many reds usually leans towards dirty.

That said, we've got a number of both, and I don't consider us (LUFC Athletics, div 1) dirty or overly yappy. But we are competitive, and have had a couple this year for the yap. Usually they are for hard tackles. Of our three reds, two are double yellow incidences- all tackles- and one when a defender got involved w/ another guy after the final whistle.

**knvb** · 12-11-2007, 12:23 PM

I’ve burnt my toast two days on the bounce... for those of you who seem to like keeping track of useless stats at home.

Aahh, wall charts.

**The Franchise** · 12-11-2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by knvb

I’ve burnt my toast two days on the bounce... for those of you who seem to like keeping track of useless stats at home.

Aahh, wall charts.

He is also down to only two blue pills a week as his hand is developing arthritis from over use

**Regs** · 12-11-2007, 01:56 PM

Fcuking rookies. Go left and you'll feel better.

Seriously.

Richy9 · 12-11-2007, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldtimer

Richy9, only one red, our keeper in our first game against you guys when he tripped your striker outside the 18 (was that you?) as he was going around him. In our second game against you, one of our defenders WAS going out of his way to play the body, not the ball, and it cost us the first goal. For the most part we are not a dirty team, as the 5 yellows would indicate, unless all the refs are blind!

Yeah, that 1st goal was me jumping over him trying to hit me and putting it bottom corner

, But Okay I can believe you only have a few dirty players its just im always the 1 to run into them haha. And No I would be #9

12-10-2007, 11:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
Oldtimer Member Joined: Mar 2007 Location: Coquitlam Posts: 155 TTP Friends: (1)	Yellow Cards = Dirty Team ? Talking with other coaches and players, discussion always turns to dirty players and teams, so I was thinking, does the number of cards a team takes equate to a team being dirty? Or is it just a team being "yappy" and not dirty? Or a ref "having a grudge" against a team or player? Or a "bad rep"? Looking at the Discipline Page on our web-site, I counted the yellows for the teams in our group (2B), and heres the break-down Aldergrove United -14 yellows GEU Tigers -13 Surrey Bullets -12 Whalley Strikers -11 GEU Rams -10 Langley Wolves - 9 Poco United - 8 Pomo Lions - 6 Coq. Ajax - 5 Poco Royals -5 Reading the posts on TTP you hear of Westcoast being a dirty team, so I counted their yellows and it was 17. I believe that teams do "earn" a reputation for being "dirty" or "yappy" and that refs do know who or what teams to look out for, I was surprised at Aldergrove, for when we played them it was a clean game with no cards. Any thoughts on this subject?

12-10-2007, 12:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
Kevin Hector Member Joined: Apr 2005 Location: in a van down by the river Posts: 1,979 TTP Friends: (23)	Re: Yellow Cards = Dirty Team ? Aldergrove are a good grouip of guys. not a dirty team at all.

12-10-2007, 12:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
johnnybluenose Sad Bastard A Better Bastard Joined: Oct 2004 Location: Cloverdale Posts: 3,476 Blog Entries: 4 TTP Friends: (16)	Re: Yellow Cards = Dirty Team ? Man, it is ref specific. Like I always say...refs have the hardest thankless jobs, and all too often they take way more stick than they deserve. That being said one or two games with one of the very select few that have no business officiating U-12 girls (no offense to the wee lassies) can sky-rocket your card count right quick, also putting players into suspension zone too early for really nothing. There are a few guys that make 1 bad call, then spend the whole evening dishing out yellows like candy to cover their tracks. I have two yellows myself this year from referees giving me them for dissent by simply asking if they have changed a call (1. Referee signalled Corner, than as he walked to the spot and got "effed off" by a player for 30 yards decided to award Peno!? 2. Guy calls foul on our their guy 2 foot sliding our guy from behind then gives free kick to offending team) I know I am not entitled to ask, but they gave me the yellow for calmly asking a question I already knew the answer to, meanwhile they allowed the other team to "eff them off" go figure... I honestly believe the referees need soemthing different than having just yellow cards, they need a new card for dissent, or for foul play. So I say NO. there for the most part, should be zero corrolation between card count and how 'dirty' a team is.

12-10-2007, 01:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
Kevin Hector Member Joined: Apr 2005 Location: in a van down by the river Posts: 1,979 TTP Friends: (23)	Re: Yellow Cards = Dirty Team ? how could we? we would just look at the ref and he'd pull out a card. and we only 7 vs the bullets.

12-10-2007, 05:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
Kevin Hector Member Joined: Apr 2005 Location: in a van down by the river Posts: 1,979 TTP Friends: (23)	Re: Yellow Cards = Dirty Team ? yeah just one Red lol and another Yellow for Dom against Martins buddy Ward

12-10-2007, 06:32 PM	#10 (permalink)
Richy9 Member Joined: Nov 2007 Location: Langley Posts: 123 TTP Friends: (0)	Re: Yellow Cards = Dirty Team ? I have 2 Yellows, Out of the 9 from our team, But I think most of ours are from being yappy. I dont know how the Ajax only have 5 they are a dirty team, at least when we play them. (I guess most of theirs are red)

12-10-2007, 09:03 PM	#11 (permalink)
kjohnsob Jesus of Slidetackling A Better Bastard Joined: Aug 2006 Location: Beer Cooler Posts: 1,030 Images: 5 TTP Friends: (11)	Re: Yellow Cards = Dirty Team ? We have 13, by my count, 4 are for fouls, the other 9 are for yapping...learn to shut up john

12-11-2007, 09:33 AM	#12 (permalink)
BlazeArmy Not too bright BANNED Joined: Dec 2002 Location: Club 'Ding Posts: 3,052 Images: 23 TTP Friends: (0)	Re: Yellow Cards = Dirty Team ? One of our u21's has gotten 2 reds this year for yapping. Total 9 games of suspension nad $90 of league fines. this from a kid who is doesn't normally talk to refs and tries to calm his teammates down. On the plus side his 2 reds have cost him 2-30 packs of beer so far in "team management" fines. The team has also gelled as a result of missing him, their hardest working and best player, and have really taken a step forward since he has been gone for the second time. I think it will make all the difference when he returns in Jan.

12-11-2007, 11:03 AM	#14 (permalink)
Dude Member Joined: Jul 2001 Location: Where my kids are Posts: 8,296 Images: 66 TTP Friends: (3)	Re: Yellow Cards = Dirty Team ? Lots of yellows usually just means a team is competitive. Weather that be by going in hard, often, or by letting emotions get carried away in the form of yapping. Too many reds usually leans towards dirty. That said, we've got a number of both, and I don't consider us (LUFC Athletics, div 1) dirty or overly yappy. But we are competitive, and have had a couple this year for the yap. Usually they are for hard tackles. Of our three reds, two are double yellow incidences- all tackles- and one when a defender got involved w/ another guy after the final whistle.

12-11-2007, 12:23 PM	#15 (permalink)
knvb Kick'n it old school... A Total Bastard Joined: Aug 2001 Location: Langley Posts: 10,593 Images: 229 TTP Friends: (6)	Re: Yellow Cards = Dirty Team ? I’ve burnt my toast two days on the bounce... for those of you who seem to like keeping track of useless stats at home. Aahh, wall charts. Last edited by knvb; 12-11-2007 at 12:26 PM.

12-11-2007, 01:56 PM	#17 (permalink)
Regs Respect & Honour A Total Bastard Joined: Jun 2001 Location: TTP Headquarters Posts: 12,083 Blog Entries: 1 Images: 233 TTP Friends: (12)	Re: Yellow Cards = Dirty Team ? Fcuking rookies. Go left and you'll feel better. Seriously. __________________ Take the piss (out of someone) vb. British -- to mock, deride, poke fun (at). This vulgarism has been in widespread use since the late 1940s. The original idea evoked by the expression was that of deflating someone, recalling the description of a self-important blusterer as 'all piss and wind.'

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