Are Goalkeepers protected by Refs too much?

[Yoda]

Since this seems to be a hot topic amongst the TTP Premier thread posters, and i imagine most soccer players, thought it would be appropriate to start a poll.

Please vote and give your opinion.

[striker14]

Hmmm...tough one! Seeing as my team (women's, Vancouver Jaguars) just had our Keeper thrown out of a game 2 games back, I would say NO!

It was a very close call, as the Squamish Nation BIOTCH ran into our Goalie after getting a shot off, and our Goalie gets a yellow card. The 2nd yellow was pretty close as well...the forward has a semi breakaway and goes to throw and deke (sp?) on our Goalie, our Goalie gets a piece of the ball and her foot (ball first)...the chick falls...and the RED comes out, and they are rewarded a Penalty kick to boot!

Tough to say...they SHOULD be protected, but I would say NO, they are not protected enough, but again, I am talkin' women's league. I know...wrong thread striker...BEAT IT!

striker14

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[BlazeArmy]

I don't care if i get whacked while getting the ball if the ball is there to be won by the player.

Don't leave a foot in or try to get the keepre while he is vulnerable. We don't like that and we will tend to retailate as you do when you have been cheap shotted.

Keepers aren't out to hurt anyone they are just protecting themselves as they tend to be in more vulnerable spots then outfield players. (ask sixfyv)
We are on the ground near your boots and cleats.

[Reccos]

Blaze: Do you think refs aren't watching this thread and you, now? Good luck with that errant punch.

[BlazeArmy]

Reccos, i read that after i typed it and thought it came out wrong. I have edited my post. I didn't mean all the time but if you get me cheaply expect their to be consequences.

As for the errant punch, I've done that on purpose twice. Once i was in youth soccer and the guy had broke my hand earlier in game.( i was still in goal as coach wouldn't believe that my hand hurt) Once in men's league when i went for a corner and he ducked underneath me flipping me on to my back/neck when i landed.

I have missed and got players before but only twice did i do on purpose and the time in mens the ref was well aware what i was doing and he gave me a yellow.

[Keeper]

Sometimes refs are a bit eager with the whistle and the end up treating us like refs do in the MWSL. A bit embarrassing, really.

It's quite simple: if it's 50/50 I've got no problem taking a knock or two. But if it's obvious I'm going to beat you to it, lay off.

Case in point: a few weeks ago, buddy from the Primos lays me out well after I've got the ball in my hands. Not hard or anything, but unnecessary. Conversly, years ago, Catliff and I go 50/50 for a cross and he separates my shoulder with the extra 50lbs he's got on me. My shoulder was out for weeks, but fair's fair.

Which brings me back to my first statement. Call the cheap shots and leave us alone with the open balls. That said, forwards had better be sure they're gonna beat me there otherwise I'm gonna grab a extra foot or two along with the ball when I'm down.

[trapper]

If it's a 50/50 ball, as long as the player goes in for a fair challenge with the keeper, it's fine. It's when guys come in studs up at your head that we get a little pissed off. I've also had guys grab at my arms while going up for a ball. That's a foul. Just like climbing someones back. There should be no special protection for the goalie. If it's a fair challenge in the middle of the park, then it should be considered a fair challenge in the penalty area. Some refs will blow the whistle as soon as anyone gets close to the keeper. That's wrong. We have our knee that we are allowed to use to protect ourself, and really that's all we need. Keep it clean and I see no problem with a hard challenge every now and then. I know I love it when I win a good 50/50 ball. It pumps up my team and me as well. I say play on unless it's a blatant foul.

[vratar]

Goalies & goofy just go together

KEITH BRADFORD, EDMONTON SUN


When David Icke discovered the world was being controlled by a race of reptilian humanoids and/or reptiloid aliens, psychiatrists looked into his past. Surely some traumatic childhood event must have been responsible for his bizarre ramblings about the Babylonian Brotherhood, they reasoned.

They didn't have to look back very far. The legendary conspiracy theorist was once a talented goalkeeper. That says it all.

He played between the posts for Coventry City and Hereford United before going on to discover that aliens were living among us.

All part of a natural career progression if you ask me.

As any good psychiatrist knows, goalies aren't just a different breed - they're off-the-scale crazy.

Which brings me to the ongoing feud between two other candidates for a permanent vacation at Alberta Hospital: Oliver Kahn and Jens Lehmann.

The duo, competing for the job of Germany's starting goalkeeper, have been throwing their toys out of the pram because their national coach hasn't decided which one of them is more mentally unstable (and thus better suited to the job).

Former players say the pressure is forcing Kahn to make mistakes. Despite the fact he's played in World Cups and European Championships, apparently the stress is too much for him to bear.

DIFFERENT EXPLANATION

But Kahn himself had a different explanation for his latest clanger, which cost his club team Bayern Munich a 1-0 defeat against Juventus last week: a wet ball, wet grass, a bad bounce and the fact that an alien obscured his view (OK, I made the last bit up).

Lehmann, for his part, seems to be in the midst of a mental crisis that gets worse with each successive howler. And his club team, Arsenal, is starting to pay the price.

"The Germans gave the world Beethoven, Claudia Schiffer and Michael Schumacher," wrote the English Sun. "Arsenal, sadly, got Jens Lehmann."

Lehmann's erratic form - and temper - hasn't stopped him from trying to prove his eligibility for the top job by lashing out at Kahn.

He recently referred to 34-year-old Kahn leaving his wife for a woman he met in a disco by saying "I don't know what we have to say to each other.

''I don't have a 24-year-old girlfriend. I live a different lifestyle."

This must, by his own logic, mean he is a better ... er, player. Right?

"I can't really say that anybody else is better than I am," said Lehmann, modest as ever.

Kahn responded by saying that Lehmann just "can't cope with being the number two, he doesn't seem to be able to live with it."

Other players are used to competing for the same position. But not goalkeepers.

Different breed, you see.

Mentally unstable. And prone to having alien encounters.

Goalies are also prone to some of the most bizarre injuries in the history of soccer.

In 1975, Manchester United keeper Alex Stepney was shouting so hard at other players that he managed to dislocate his jaw.

BOTTLE OF AFTERSHAVE

Spain's Santiago Canizares injured himself by dropping a bottle of aftershave on his foot. And former Wimbledon keeper Dave Beasant suffered the same fate after failing to hold on to a salad cream bottle while making a sandwich.

But if Kahn or Lehmann are looking for a less physically painful excuse for a holiday, maybe they should consider the example set by England keeper David "Calamity" James.

James said he "injured" his concentration while playing too many video games.


Interesting article. Some may agree that goalies are a little off the wall, so do they really need to be protected? In some situations they should be protected, but for the most part the ref needs to decide. Some situations that piss me off is when a guy continues running full speed at me after beating him to the ball. So next time the knee goes up and he gets it in the ribs. Gks need to protect themselves in these type of situations however players for the most part do respect the vulnerable situations gks are put in.

[bulljive]

Originally Posted by BlazeArmy

Reccos, i read that after i typed it and thought it came out wrong. I have edited my post. I didn't mean all the time but if you get me cheaply expect their to be consequences.

As for the errant punch, I've done that on purpose twice. Once i was in youth soccer and the guy had broke my hand earlier in game.( i was still in goal as coach wouldn't believe that my hand hurt) Once in men's league when i went for a corner and he ducked underneath me flipping me on to my back/neck when i landed.

I have missed and got players before but only twice did i do on purpose and the time in mens the ref was well aware what i was doing and he gave me a yellow.

Any players that goes underneath and flips another player whether to a goaltender or in the middle of the field to another player deserves the forearm shiver and perhaps a boot to the teeth follwed by a hand full of chicklits. That is one of the most cowardly playes in soccer and I am surprised it hasn't led to more broken necks. As for goaltenders definitly a disturbing bunch of individuals, I stay away from the cheap late cleat to the keeper or high elbow because you know he will have you at his disposile at some point in the game and the crazy bastard will take his opportunity and punish you. What do you expect they sit in there between the pipes by themselves with nothing to do but think about getting you back. It always seem to be the loner or the not so athletic or not so social kid that ends up in net and all those years of solidarity between the pipes have left them lets just say "different."

[sixfyv]

i didnt like any of the poll options... proving you have no clue about the position.

[Stepchild]

Originally Posted by BlazeArmy

Keepers aren't out to hurt anyone they are just protecting themselves as they tend to be in more vulnerable spots then outfield players. (ask sixfyv)
We are on the ground near your boots and cleats.

I agree to disagree, I know many keepers that do what it takes to win the ball and know that they can get away with a lot more than players can. If a player slides from the side or behind in a dangerous manner to win the ball even if it is there, then that is called so why not when a goalied does it.......
That said, they do have to protect themselves!

[termatofylakas]

Originally Posted by bulljive

It always seem to be the loner or the not so athletic or not so social kid that ends up in net and all those years of solidarity between the pipes have left them lets just say "different."

No just the kid that had balls back in the day since primadonnas (sp?) like you didn't want to get hurt.

[Keeper]

. . . and the only kid who wouldn't cry when he was scored on.



Probably because it happened so often.

[knvb]

This conversation is stupid. Keepers are poofs. The only position where mittens are recommended and sweats under your shorts are encouraged. Knock em' through the net. They love it and don't let them tell you otherwise. How many people who are right in the head intentionally pick a position on the park where they actually want to get in front of 6 yard volleys?

Fcuk them. Worst case scenario is they get a free kick on the 6, big deal.

Originally Posted by keeper

Conversly, years ago, Catliff and I go 50/50 for a cross and he separates my shoulder

I'm not sure if you dropped the ball on this but you sure dropped this name...

[BlazeArmy]

Originally Posted by knvb

How many people who are right in the head intentionally pick a position on the park where they actually want to get in front of 6 yard volleys?

It's safer than 25 yards behind the net when your shooting them.

[vratar]

Knvb, other than being megged a trillion times, are u one of those forwards who been knocked by a few goalies.
btw,I bet my mittens u couldnt even put 3 past me out of 10 trys on the penalty spot.

Poofster#001

[knvb]

Yes.

I bet I could.

My dad could beat up your dad.