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Pathway is a major issue. Agreed, from reading that article, this Canadian PL reads to me to be very much an Ontario/Quebec focus. With travel, as always, being a major expense and issue for this league, it does make sense to perhaps regionalize things. Hamilton and Winnipeg are confirmed for franchises and one would think Ottawa Fury would likely move from the NASL to the CPL. Talk of resurrecting a team in Edmonton and putting one in Calgary, but if you are only going to have an 8-12 team league does it make sense to have them so geographically spread out? That would mean that every other week you're Edmonton based team is on a plane flying across the country to play a game in front of maybe a few thousand fans. Not that I want the West left out of this by any means, but wouldn't it make more sense to start regionally and gain traction before going big? Maybe two leagues/conferences East and West with 6-8 teams each? Play your league/conference games home and away before playoffs and then a final between the East and West Champions? You could add a mid-season cup competition, random draw, single elimination between all the teams for variety and intrigue and give the league and cup champions berths in the Canadian Championship.

That would cut down on travel costs, it's the same way USports/College works where you play regionally so save from jetting around the country. It would also add a local flavor to things and potentially create an opportunity for better media coverage which would create an opportunity for increased sponsorship revenue. Plus it might entice away fans into traveling which would help at the gate and could create great rivalries.

Potential Teams:
EAST
Hamilton (confirmed)
Winnipeg (confirmed)
Ottawa (USL)
Thunder Bay (PDL)
GTA
Montreal
Quebec City
Maritimes
Other Ontario (Sudbury/Mississauga?)

WEST
Edmonton (NASL-defunct)
Calgary (PDL)
Victoria (PDL)
Greater Vancouver (PDL-TSS/Surrey)
Saskatchewan
BC Interior (Kamloops/Kelowna)
Other Alberta (Red Deer/Medicine Hat?)
Prince George?

I get that these might be smaller markets than the CPL envisions, but isn't that the point? If the idea is just to have a CFL style soccer league siloed in major markets (Vancouver/Toronto/Montreal/Winnipeg/Hamilton/etc.), I think that might have difficulty appealing to Canadian soccer fans at large. If you look at soccer around the world, what it feeds on is the passionate backing of local markets and rivalries. Cities often have several smaller lower league teams that are fiercely competitive with each other. I mean just look at Cascadia, proximity breeds interest. I think it would be a big mistake to try and slap a North American sports template on this thing I would suggest that it might be doomed to fail.

Additionally yes, this is going to shake the soccer landscape and it remains to be seen where USL, PDL, and NASL fit in next to the CSL. Along with USports, one has to think that these teams will be competing for the services of many of the same players. Obviously CPL will be positioning itself as a "professional" league which will differentiate it from PDL and USport, but will it serve as a separate tier unto its own? Or will it cannibalize the players and fans that TSS/Victoria/Calgary/Thunder Bay rely on? Should those teams look at trying to get on board? Or should they resist and try to remain on their current paths? This goes back to my earlier point about not structuring the league in a "CFL" style. With only two teams confirmed for a league that is supposed to begin play next season I would hope the brain trust at the CPL are looking at teams like the PDL franchises that already have existing resources and trying to entice them into the league, rather than exclude them and make them competitors.

I love your enthusiasm, but boy that's a stretch with some of the Western teams. I'm convinced the Lower Mainland can only handle one squad, and perhaps Victoria has both population proximity and enthusiasm to handle a team, but Kelowna and especially PG? Not so sure. Dial it down a few teams each side, pick cities that have a fighting chance to support, and go with a schedule of 3-4 regional games plus 1-2 cross over matches to fill a full season. Or, as planned, single table, 10 teams, suck-it-up on travel.

I think TSS and other PDL squads should look at being in what would be a Regional Tier III feeder league. Stay on their current development path, and actually push kids onto professional opportunities.
 

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Am I the only one who feels that amalgamating the VISL / VMSL / FVSL Premier teams is a must, am I beating a dead horse, both?

Anyone see a future where amalgamation actually happens? After the last attempt and subsequent collapse, I can't. Not with the same parties all involved. What I can see is one league or a pair of two approaching the CSA and BCSA about creating that league, and leaving the other two / one behind to die.

@utah- insight or thoughts? @djones ?
 

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So that would be FVSL and VISL joining together and then going broke due to all the travel expenses leaving just the VMSL as the BC super league? :p

I'm other news, Victoria Highlanders announced a new ownership consortium yesterday. Seems they have significant backing of several local businessmen now, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if their plan is to join CPL as the Highlanders.
 

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Am I the only one who feels that amalgamating the VISL / VMSL / FVSL Premier teams is a must, am I beating a dead horse, both?

Anyone see a future where amalgamation actually happens? After the last attempt and subsequent collapse, I can't. Not with the same parties all involved. What I can see is one league or a pair of two approaching the CSA and BCSA about creating that league, and leaving the other two / one behind to die.

@utah- insight or thoughts? @djones ?

https://takethepiss.com/threads/bcpl-bc-premier-league-proposal.14776/#post-272393

How Time flies!
 

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So that would be FVSL and VISL joining together and then going broke due to all the travel expenses leaving just the VMSL as the BC super league? :p

I'm other news, Victoria Highlanders announced a new ownership consortium yesterday. Seems they have significant backing of several local businessmen now, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if their plan is to join CPL as the Highlanders.

Well, either or. I can see it happening, though. The pair going after the Tier III status, or VMSL as a single.

Then one or the other goes broke. :D

I see that in Vic, too, but I honestly feel those pockets aren't deep enough. Those are millionaires, and the CPL needs billionaires.
 

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Well, either or. I can see it happening, though. The pair going after the Tier III status, or VMSL as a single.

Then one or the other goes broke. :D

I see that in Vic, too, but I honestly feel those pockets aren't deep enough. Those are millionaires, and the CPL needs billionaires.

What billionaire would want to own a team in Surrey? :confused:
 

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Just saying....it will need that. Not a bunch of well intention-ed small and medium sized business guys in Victoria.
 

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Honestly, the only way I see a L1O equivalent league working in BC is if the clubs are run by the existing BCSPL franchises, and major academies.
They have the infrastructure, knowledge, and financing to do it successfully, and not to mention a built in fan base with all the kids in their club.

For CPL, and the billionaires... good luck. I'm not sure Kerfoot is even worth a billion?
 

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I thought we were beyond splitting hairs.

So, let's just say small business / medium business mentality and bank accounts aren't going to cut it. A bank account with zeros closer to the B range than single M range is needed. Can we agree on that?

As for your other analogy...maybe, but not under a not-for-profit model, and that may in the end be the biggest roadblock of them all. The only club maybe ready to actually take on a Tier III status may be TSS or the like.
 

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I thought we were beyond splitting hairs.

So, let's just say small business / medium business mentality and bank accounts aren't going to cut it. A bank account with zeros closer to the B range than single M range is needed. Can we agree on that?

As for your other analogy...maybe, but not under a not-for-profit model, and that may in the end be the biggest roadblock of them all. The only club maybe ready to actually take on a Tier III status may be TSS or the like.

Yes, agreed deeper pockets for CPL than what the Victoria guys have would increase any potential CPL team's chances of success.

I disagree on the Tier III not working for NFP model clubs. That is exactly what the majority of L1O teams are, with healthy dose of academies like Sigma FC mixed in.
 

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I hope Surrey gets a team. It would keep people in Surrey for one.

What would they be called?

Surrey Sluts?

Surrey Singhers?

Surrey Curry FC?

Surrey Shooters?

Could even start a SINGLE MOTHERS OF SURREY SUPPORTERS GROUP
 
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Yes, agreed deeper pockets for CPL than what the Victoria guys have would increase any potential CPL team's chances of success.

I disagree on the Tier III not working for NFP model clubs. That is exactly what the majority of L1O teams are, with healthy dose of academies like Sigma FC mixed in.

This I didn't know. See? Friends helping friends understand.

If there is already a model using NFP clubs, then great. I just see too many barriers, specifically BODs (not the same BOD Akslop is, but other BODs. Funny how they are both BODs...). I can't help but envision a Tier III team with 2 soccer moms sitting on the board, with the power to make important decisions with their votes. Like we have now, which arguably gets in the way of advancement. But hey, if the model exists and it works, even better.

Which brings me back to my point...why couldn't existing clubs from either of the three leagues be folded in, so long as they want to be involved?
 

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I hope Surrey gets a team. It would keep people in Surrey for one.

What would they be called?

Surrey Sluts?

Surrey Singhers?

Surrey Curry FC?

Surrey Shooters?

Could even start a SINGLE MOTHERS OF SURREY SUPPORTERS GROUP

I've already thrown out the Surrey Carjackers FC, and Club Surrey Home Invaders as options, roll of the tongue.
 

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I've already thrown out the Surrey Carjackers FC, and Club Surrey Home Invaders as options, roll of the tongue.

Those do roll out nice.

After The media has labeled the gangland apartment murder's that killed the 2 innocent people the Surrey Six. The Surrey Eleven just doesn't sound right
 

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