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trece verde

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Gotta say nice job Hezbollah too, then.

Taking sides in a situation like this only proves out Guru's signature about who has the best imaginary friend - there are no winners except the companies that make the weapons being used, and everybody else is losing, especially the Lebanese people caught in the middle between the shitheads driving things on both sides of the conflict.
  1. Yes, Israel is its own worst enemy by firing indiscriminately on both military and civilian targets. Israel needs to get the fcuk out of Lebanon.
  2. The Hezbollah, by hiding military weapons in civilian areas, prove that they have no regard for non-combatants. Hassan Nasrallah is a bigoted coward who doesn't deserve support from anyone.
  3. Syria also has no business in Lebanon. They had an occupying army there for nearly 30 years. They also need to get the fcuk out and stop meddling in another country's affairs.
Solving all the world's problems one at a time from East Van,

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Terrible situation. I read a qoute in TIME the other day from1919. I can't remember it exactly but it went something like this. "People in other parts of the world who think there can be peace do not understand the situation. You have two nations who both belive they have a right to one place and have religious arguements to back up their claims."

That was over 80 years ago so I can't see how this resolves itself.
 

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Poor Isreal they really can't win. The only democracy in a region full of nations that are hell bent on its destruction. These nations don't even accept that Isreal has a right to exist.

The Balfour declaration gave the Jews a homeland, and while the land really wasn't the UK's to give, how can anyone say the Jews don't deserve a country of thier own after six million were exterminated by the Nazi's in WWII. Instead of trying to solve the situation the Arab nations exacerabate the situation by using the Palastinians as pawns instead of really trying to help them.

Hezbolah instigates a war, Isreal finishes it, and the world is against Isreal.

If the world doesn't sort that region out Isreal will nuke someone (Iran) eventually.

I'm just glad I live in Canada, where religion is as divisive as which NHL team you root for.
 

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Great post POCO!
Israel has been knee deep in sh1t since they settled there.
The fact that these arab nations leaders come out and say things like "The Holocaust never happened" is proof enough of how Israel really is on an island there.
 

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you would be surprised there are many jews out there who say Isreal should not exist, can only exist if the messiah has come, i believe it is what is written in the Torah, since he has not come yet for them,Isreal should not exist.... just what i have, yet to research it but maybe someone out there knows......:confused:
 

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RATU:

I have heard this statement before; it does have jewish religious roots, going back to when zionism was an abstract idea in the 1800's, and early 1900's, before the Balfour declaration was issued in 1917. Basically, jewish orthodoxy and hassidim originally used this argument against secular zionists because of the socialist outlook of the majority of the latter group, and because they essentially believed it could never happen in their lifetimes.

After the Balfour declaration, things changed radically, to where this is now only an allegorical statement that very few jewish people would ever take seriously, and even fewer Israelis.

Yes, there is a distinction - there are residents in the country with different religious backgrounds, albeit a really small portion of the total population. As well, there are a number of people who don't practice the religion, but still adhere to the customs (kind of like how most Canadians aren't really christians but still celebrate Christmas and Easter).

Yes, I've done some digging on this. To say that "many jews" would support this statement might have had some validity before 1948, but since then, it's just preposterous.

Oy flippin' vey,:rolleyes:

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the jews who are anti-zionist are the, what you would call the orthodox jews, who seem to be more in line of the practices and teachings of the torah or the "laws" given to the house of isreal. was it not Jesus who told the jews that they would lose what was given to them because of their curupt ways and given to a nation different then theirs? i have not read this personally in the bible or torah, but have come across this many times while researching montheistic religions.

war and killing of innocent people is a crime which should be looked as crime against humanity regardless if it is the zionist regime or hezbullah or any army group we as people should let our voice be heard not for the sake or just religion but for the sake that we all came from the same place and we will all one day end up back to where we came from.....
 

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war and killing of innocent people is a crime which should be looked as crime against humanity regardless if it is the zionist regime or hezbullah or any army group we as people should let our voice be heard not for the sake or just religion but for the sake that we all came from the same place and we will all one day end up back to where we came from.....

RATU:

I don't think you'll find anybody sane who would dispute your last statement. The problem however, comes with your first paragraph.

the jews who are anti-zionist are the, what you would call the orthodox jews, who seem to be more in line of the practices and teachings of the torah or the "laws" given to the house of isreal. was it not Jesus who told the jews that they would lose what was given to them because of their curupt ways and given to a nation different then theirs? i have not read this personally in the bible or torah, but have come across this many times while researching montheistic religions.

Yes, that is what jewish orthodoxy were taught to believe during the diaspora; again, because at the time, very few people believed that a state called Israel would ever exist. Since however, it does exist, I do not believe that you will find very many jewish people, whether secular, practicing, orthodox or otherwise, who would wish it out of existence to wait for their messiah.

Your second sentence is just ludicrous, as well as the assertion that you've come across the statement "many times." When you make claims like that, they're only your opinions unless you back yourself up with citations.

I have said on here before that the two worst weapons unleashed upon humanity are the bible and the koran. You cannot take allegorically-based statements (like most of the bible's new testament) and try to fit them literally to your current situation. Writings that suit a desert-based nomadic culture just don't have the same meaning or relevance to a settled urban one. This is true with any religion's writings: life has changed substantially since the "thou shalts" were codified.

"Was it not Jesus who said" that? Maybe, maybe not. This is an individual who existence can't be proven - the Romans who kept meticulous records of just about everything that happened around them at the time don't seem to have anything that could verify his life or death. Maybe an individual by that name lived; maybe not, but to attribute an inflammatory statement like that to him does him or yourself no favours. There are people who follow the jewish faith and customs who now live there, as well as moslems and christians. None of them appear to be willing to leave and/or just go away. Accept that.

Disclaimer: I am neither christian, jewish nor moslem, nor am I sikh, hindu, jainist, buddhist or an adherent of any other religious group or cult that would actually accept me as a member.

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how do you explain then, how "man " began to exist?...do you believe man was a evolution of apes like some, was he create from a supreme being or aliens brought us to this planet?
 

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how do you explain then, how "man " began to exist?...do you believe man was a evolution of apes like some, was he create from a supreme being or aliens brought us to this planet?

Sorry, dude. What I "believe" about the origin of our species is irrelevant to the topic.

And I believe in peanut butter.

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trece verde said:
Sorry, dude. What I "believe" about the origin of our species is irrelevant to the topic.

And I believe in peanut butter.

Trece

i was just merely trying to get a feel about how you thought we all got here thats all....if you feel it is not something you wish to talk about, i respect your desision, as some say religion is someting which should not be talked about, I on the other hand love to talk about religion and what people believe. i rather not sit here and go back and forth with you on the issue. we both know the world is in a bad state right now, i don't believe it's all about religion, more has to do with man and his ego..:(

ratuthrowingupapeacesign :)
 

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