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Premier [VMSL] Premier 2023/2024 Predictions, Results & Banter
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Not sure if Thumper's post is correct ?
The VMSL Referee's are asking for a raise and negotiations are happening between the VMSL board and the Referee's Committee ( The VMSL Board asked for this committee to be formed in a zoom meeting with the ref's before the season started)
As all negotiations go there is a deference of opinion's on both sides. Both sides are representing there members very well and so far there is no agreement.
I stepped down from the referee committee due to personal issues but I am informed of all the correspondence between the VMSL and the Referee committee. The Referee fees should of been raised on a regular basis to keep up with every day cost more regularly and now we are all just trying to catch up and that’s why in my opinion the amount asked by referees seemed to be inflated. When I first started refereeing in 1997 the referee was paid $50.00 for a middle, we all wore black uniforms, we were not expected to carry around multicolored uniforms till the early 2000's. We were also not paying $1:80 for a liter of gas, now we are expected to take games all over the lower mainland, traveling to the game takes longer now due to traffic as well. We were not expected to pay for parking either or do multiple games a day. Clubs and teams have constantly increased their fees due to cost of operating the teams, but referees are frowned upon when even trying to discuss an increase. Weekly we are held to a standard that is set by players - coaches - and executives who are not qualified to make judgements or constantly question the referee's ability to referee - experience - and in my case on one occasion my integrity.
The one thing that is concerning is that young referees are being threatened by certain people from the VMSL Board that if they support the Referee committee they will not be giving games in the VMSL in the future. It is already hard enough to retain young referees and this behavior is not acceptable.
My suggestion for the 2023-2024 season fee structure is
1. Premier Open - Premier Masters - $130.00 for Referee - $75.00 For AR's
2. All other Divisions $110.00 for Referee - $65.00 for AR's
The VMSL Referee's are asking for a raise and negotiations are happening between the VMSL board and the Referee's Committee ( The VMSL Board asked for this committee to be formed in a zoom meeting with the ref's before the season started)
As all negotiations go there is a deference of opinion's on both sides. Both sides are representing there members very well and so far there is no agreement.
I stepped down from the referee committee due to personal issues but I am informed of all the correspondence between the VMSL and the Referee committee. The Referee fees should of been raised on a regular basis to keep up with every day cost more regularly and now we are all just trying to catch up and that’s why in my opinion the amount asked by referees seemed to be inflated. When I first started refereeing in 1997 the referee was paid $50.00 for a middle, we all wore black uniforms, we were not expected to carry around multicolored uniforms till the early 2000's. We were also not paying $1:80 for a liter of gas, now we are expected to take games all over the lower mainland, traveling to the game takes longer now due to traffic as well. We were not expected to pay for parking either or do multiple games a day. Clubs and teams have constantly increased their fees due to cost of operating the teams, but referees are frowned upon when even trying to discuss an increase. Weekly we are held to a standard that is set by players - coaches - and executives who are not qualified to make judgements or constantly question the referee's ability to referee - experience - and in my case on one occasion my integrity.
The one thing that is concerning is that young referees are being threatened by certain people from the VMSL Board that if they support the Referee committee they will not be giving games in the VMSL in the future. It is already hard enough to retain young referees and this behavior is not acceptable.
My suggestion for the 2023-2024 season fee structure is
1. Premier Open - Premier Masters - $130.00 for Referee - $75.00 For AR's
2. All other Divisions $110.00 for Referee - $65.00 for AR's
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Just myself alone was more than 1
#cheater
whistle blower
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I though you was number One FanJust myself alone was more than 1
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Premier Open is currently $100 referee and $ 60 for AR'S
All Other Divisions $90.00 for referee and $55 for AR's
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We all hope your injury’s from wear & tear
From playing and referring heal
We wish you the best
whistle blower
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Thank you Mate.
Just waiting for a new hip then i will consider if i want to come back to being shouted at weekly.
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B.C.’s highest court has turfed an appeal of a $103,000 award handed to a B.C. man seriously injured in a recreational soccer game.
B.C.’s highest court has turfed an appeal of a $103,000 award handed to a B.C. man seriously injured in a recreational soccer game.
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For a $103,000 award an appeal was risky, although it's possible I assume a home insurance policy is in play.
I couldn't see any grounds for appeal and the three judge panel agrees with Take the Piss posters.
globalnews.ca
B.C.’s highest court has turfed an appeal of a $103,000 award handed to a B.C. man seriously injured in a recreational soccer game.
In March 2023, the B.C. Supreme Court ruled that Karl Cox was liable for a slide tackle in a May 2018 game in North Vancouver that left David Miller with a grade-three shoulder dislocation.
The judge found that while the tackle was legal under game rules, Cox was negligent in his execution of the move.
Cox appealed to the B.C. Court of Appeal, arguing that trial judge Justice Wendy Baker erred in her assessment of the relevant standard of care, and that her reasons for judgment reflected “palpable and overriding error.”
I couldn't see any grounds for appeal and the three judge panel agrees with Take the Piss posters.
B.C.’s top court upholds $103K award to man seriously injured in rec soccer game | Globalnews.ca
The B.C. Supreme Court ruled last year Karl Cox was liable for a slide tackle in a May 2018 game in North Vancouver that left David Miller with a grade-three shoulder dislocation.
globalnews.ca
B.C.’s highest court has turfed an appeal of a $103,000 award handed to a B.C. man seriously injured in a recreational soccer game.
In March 2023, the B.C. Supreme Court ruled that Karl Cox was liable for a slide tackle in a May 2018 game in North Vancouver that left David Miller with a grade-three shoulder dislocation.
The judge found that while the tackle was legal under game rules, Cox was negligent in his execution of the move.
Cox appealed to the B.C. Court of Appeal, arguing that trial judge Justice Wendy Baker erred in her assessment of the relevant standard of care, and that her reasons for judgment reflected “palpable and overriding error.”
This article mentions home or tenant insurance but it's not a slam dunk that your insurer will step up. In the case we're talking about I speculated earlier that appealing a $100,000 award was risky and possibly an insurer has taken on the defense here.
Court ruling a cautionary tale: Check your insurance before signing up for a recreation sports league
"A B.C. court case that found a recreational soccer player liable for his opponent's injury has set a standard for future acts of recreational recklessness."Get the latest from Patrick Johnston straight to your inboxSign Up
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Patrick Johnston
Published Jan 05, 2024
“People who play contact sports recreationally are often covered by their home insurance or renter’s insurance for ‘negligence’, which would normally include reckless conduct in a sports game. Players who don’t have home/renter’s insurance should definitely consider getting it,” he added.
Court ruling a cautionary tale: Check your insurance before signing up for a recreation sports league
B.C. court ruling a cautionary tale: Check your insurance before signing up for a recreational sports league — and don't be a reckless player.
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Uncle, We’re $55 for premier AR and $50 for Div 1 AR.
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Enough about the fcuking refs - always about them, eh? ...
Since Columbus as a club moved to the FVSL, they have been on a heater across all divisions (except those trailblazers at O55).
Since Columbus as a club moved to the FVSL, they have been on a heater across all divisions (except those trailblazers at O55).
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