Premier [VMSL Premier] Predictions, Results & Banter 2013/2014

[Canucks4Ever]

I have absolutely nothing to do with Surrey FC. I am asking a genuine question - why pay players when the return on your money is almost definitely none or negative. ?

I am actually interested in getting an answer on this as well. The VMSL is an amateur league. No major sponsors, no ticket sales, no TV rights. No prize money.

From my understanding, basically some teams are bankrolled by private interests who are paying players under the table in an effort to win championships for their own personal satisfaction?

IMHO the whole situation is a very slippery slope. As far as I know there are no formal contracts. So nothing is protecting the clubs from paying a player and then having that player take the money and not really show up and play. Visa versa, there is nothing to protect the player if the club has promised money and then later decides that they don't feel like paying. There's no collective bargaining agreement or interest groups (ie union) representing the players or the clubs. No formal rules about negotiating with players who are already committed to another club.

Plus it creates an imbalance in the league between teams that have a private backer (or youth club evidently) and ones that don't.

Perhaps someone can shed some light on this?

 

[Captain Shamrock]

sooo, I'm thinking of paying players to play soccer... can someone please list in last 10/12 years of the provincial cup, the champions that paid their players to play an win. Thanks.


I'll get my coat.

2000 Westside FC Westside Mafia
2001 Victoria Gorge FC
2002 Victoria Gorge FC Gorge Mafia
2003 Surrey United Surrey Mafia
2004 Pegasus FC Pegasus Mafia
2005 Portuguese Sporting Club Portuguese Triad
2006 Sapperton Rovers Sapperton Mob
2007 Columbus Clan FC Giancanna Mob
2008 Victoria Gorge FC Gorge Mafia
2009 West Van FC Two Nine Mafia
2010 Victoria Gorge FC Gorge Mafia
2011 ICST Pegasus Reedie's winning bets funded Stupidboy's bad picks
2012 Surrey United Firefighters Crystal Palace Casuals
2013 Surrey United Firefighters Martin Foden's Casino Exploits

As you can see, all of these teams have clearly had financial backing so let's not kid ourselves any longer.

 

[Captain Shamrock]

Hi my name is the Devil's Advocate. How many clubs can currently say they aren't paying their players to coach in their Academies? Is that not the same as paying them by guaranteeing them jobs? Is that okay? Hell we all know how much money there is out there in these clubs to pay ridiculously high fees so why not spread the wealth and pay players to join their clubs and offer them work? No problem there is there?

 

[Chalers Vandalay]

Hi my name is the Devil's Advocate. How many clubs can currently say they aren't paying their players to coach in their Academies? Is that not the same as paying them by guaranteeing them jobs? Is that okay? Hell we all know how much money there is out there in these clubs to pay ridiculously high fees so why not spread the wealth and pay players to join their clubs and offer them work? No problem there is there?

I was not sure what to think on this topic weather I agreed with it or not. But you have pointed out some interesting things sure have changed my perspective on it.

 

[Canucks4Ever]

Hi my name is the Devil's Advocate. How many clubs can currently say they aren't paying their players to coach in their Academies? Is that not the same as paying them by guaranteeing them jobs? Is that okay? Hell we all know how much money there is out there in these clubs to pay ridiculously high fees so why not spread the wealth and pay players to join their clubs and offer them work? No problem there is there?

Do all the clubs have academies? Because to my knowledge they don't...

I'm not necessarily against paying players, I'm just wondering if its a level playing field for all the clubs and a level playing field for all the players.

Also Captain I know you were TTP with your "Mafia" post earlier, but in all seriousness how successful has paying players been? Was knvb suggesting that 10/12 champions were or were not paying players? And do we know the 2 exceptions either way?

 

[bandcamp]

I played rugby for years and they always found work for guys as a form of recruitment. It's another way of 'paying' players to play for you but not as blatant. Is there a difference? Probably not really.

 

[knvb]

Hi my name is the Devil's Advocate. How many clubs can currently say they aren't paying their players to coach in their Academies? Is that not the same as paying them by guaranteeing them jobs? Is that okay? Hell we all know how much money there is out there in these clubs to pay ridiculously high fees so why not spread the wealth and pay players to join their clubs and offer them work? No problem there is there?

vaild point for sure. Its way more above board though innit? They're now actually "working" for the money and directly involved with-in a club system. Value for dollar. I was speaking of suit case charlie getting $300 bucks a goal as an example then flipping teams to get $325

(pure examples, I don't know if anyone gets paid by the goal, especially me, I would owe money on that deal)

 

[The Apprentice]

View attachment 9255 Teams are paying players. Shocking. In the words of the Mr.Dibiase "everyone has their price"


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[hard ballz]

Columbus 3-0 over West Van.

 

[hard ballz]

Peg 3-0 over CCB.

 

[two-nine]

Columbus 3-WV 0. Possibly the worst game i've ever witnessed at ambleside for us. And there has been some terrible games there. One team showed up and my team didn't. Deblasio with all 3. Cracker of a free kick upper ninety from about 30 yrds out. Pk for the second and caught our goalie out from about 60 for his third. Not good enough for us tonight. The only one bright note for us... it didnt cost us a couple of grand to lose like it did for CCB. Hi Star#1. On to CCB next week.

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[RL RCD]

Surrey - Metro Ford 1:1

 

[Regs]

Quick question on CCB-TU United: What does the TU stand for? Tits Up?

 

[PeterP]

Quick question on CCB-TU United: What does the TU stand for? Tits Up?

Hahaha good one regs. Its RT United I believe. RT is probably rovers something.

 

[PeterP]

Inter is struggling lost 5-1 this weekend and 4-1 last. They have a tough season ahead of themselves. I'm sure they will be relegated this year back to div 1

 

[jimmy_jones]

Quick question on CCB-TU United: What does the TU stand for? Tits Up?

Ccb rovers temple united I heard someone say at newton last week ...

 

[Regs]

Whatever it is, let's stick with Tit's Up for the year, OK?

So the big match next week is Trollups vs Tit's Up

 

[PeterP]

Ccb rovers temple united I heard someone say at newton last week ...

hahahaha good one

 

[PeterP]

Whatever it is, let's stick with Tit's Up for the year, OK?

So the big match next week is Trollups vs Tit's Up

You are absolutely hilarious regs.
But I agree, that is going to be a good one. The funny part both West Van & CCb lost 3-0 this weekend.

 

[Canucks4Ever]

Inter is struggling lost 5-1 this weekend and 4-1 last. They have a tough season ahead of themselves. I'm sure they will be relegated this year back to div 1

Inter and Croatia the only two teams yet to get off the mark. Any reason to think these won't be the two relegated teams this season other than "it's still very early"