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Reports are that Mitchell is front-runner now. What are people's thoughts?
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Captain Shamrock
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Looks a good option...........great guy, apparently an excellent coach, and he was a great player.........Bringing in any dickhead from Jolly Old England is not the answer......it used to be the way to go for the CSA.......If they're going to go foreign, go Brazil.........they seem to know a little bit about football.........
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If this is the result of an 18 month serch, then that is un-fcuking believable! To have to go this long with out a head coach when the guy you pick turns out to be your U-20 manager. I thought that this type of leadership from the CSA was all but gone with the removal of Pipe! Obvioulsy not. I get it; the Board didn't want to spend the kind of money it would have cost to get a Brazilian that nobody had heard of. But the idiots who were heading up the hiring comittee must have had at least the slightest inkling that money was going to be an issue and should have known better then to waste time going down that road. Is Mitchell the name that we all wanted to hear? Problebly not. But a look at the FIFA rankings might tell you that dragging the proccess out as long as they did can't help matters:
Rank Team Pts:
Apr 07 +/-Rank
Mar 07 +/-Pts:
Mar 07
80 Jordan 395 1 -3
82 Zimbabwe 389 9 38
83 Qatar 387 -3 -16
84 Congo DR 385 -1 4
85 Georgia 374 0 0
86 Haiti 373 2 12
87 Equatorial Guinea 365 20 101
88 Cape Verde Islands 357 -9 -56
89 Lithuania 356 -13 -69
90 Guatemala 351 0 -9
91 United Arab Emirates 348 1 -1
92 Moldova 345 2 3
93 Libya 343 4 23
94 Canada 342 9 57
95 Ethiopia 340 -8 -22
96 Kuwait 338 -12 -37
97 Iceland 332 -11 -35
97 Bolivia 332 4 32
99 Guyana 328 -4 0
100 Bahrain 317 -4 -8
That list is just depressing. We haven't a chance with these dildos at the controls...
Rank Team Pts:
Apr 07 +/-Rank
Mar 07 +/-Pts:
Mar 07
80 Jordan 395 1 -3
82 Zimbabwe 389 9 38
83 Qatar 387 -3 -16
84 Congo DR 385 -1 4
85 Georgia 374 0 0
86 Haiti 373 2 12
87 Equatorial Guinea 365 20 101
88 Cape Verde Islands 357 -9 -56
89 Lithuania 356 -13 -69
90 Guatemala 351 0 -9
91 United Arab Emirates 348 1 -1
92 Moldova 345 2 3
93 Libya 343 4 23
94 Canada 342 9 57
95 Ethiopia 340 -8 -22
96 Kuwait 338 -12 -37
97 Iceland 332 -11 -35
97 Bolivia 332 4 32
99 Guyana 328 -4 0
100 Bahrain 317 -4 -8
That list is just depressing. We haven't a chance with these dildos at the controls...
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IMHO, Mitchell will do fine.
To spend money, you need, well, money... where is it going to come from at this stage?
People wouldn't have been in such an uproar if the current CSA president hadn't opened his yap during the process.
To spend money, you need, well, money... where is it going to come from at this stage?
People wouldn't have been in such an uproar if the current CSA president hadn't opened his yap during the process.
No Regs, I think a lot of people were hoping that the CSA would see the value in investing in a higher caliber coach.
Along w/ what you say, to make money, you have to spend it. Getting Canada qualified for the WC would be a cash windfall, and IMHO, the risk in investing the money up front to give the country the best chance in doing this would be returned tenfold if Canada could qualify.
That opens up a whole new can of worms so far as support systems, etc, but it starts w/ a head coach w/ a vision, and w/ connections.
I hope that Mitchel has been given assurances that he'll get the support he needs, ie: funding, commitment to a certain amount of friendlies, etc. Hopefully too this will mean some sort of tiered partnership between CSA, Toronto MLS, and the Canadian USL teams.
Along w/ what you say, to make money, you have to spend it. Getting Canada qualified for the WC would be a cash windfall, and IMHO, the risk in investing the money up front to give the country the best chance in doing this would be returned tenfold if Canada could qualify.
That opens up a whole new can of worms so far as support systems, etc, but it starts w/ a head coach w/ a vision, and w/ connections.
I hope that Mitchel has been given assurances that he'll get the support he needs, ie: funding, commitment to a certain amount of friendlies, etc. Hopefully too this will mean some sort of tiered partnership between CSA, Toronto MLS, and the Canadian USL teams.
I think salary goes with goals. If we want to be a top 50 team then be prepared to invest in a coach and his associates. If you are happy as a national program with finishing anywhere from 51-151 then absolutely hire a coach for 50-60,000 a year. Who gives a shite right.
Regs,
I don't have the time to put forth a research project for this, but what I would do is first look at the teams that have qualified. I'd then exclude the high budget teams such as England, Germany, Brazil, etc from the equation (say, take the lowest 13 of the qualified). From there you can determine an average going rate. There's your "coach" budget.
After this, conduct a seach, and play w/ the budget as required, say within 10-15%.
Not having done this reseach project, I don't have the answers. No doubt, the CSA did this, and likely determined that the going rate was simply too high, and went w/ the next best option: Mitchel...a proven U-21 coach, succesful domestic and international player for Canada, patriotic, all around good guy, but does not have the experience at this levle, and likely isn't being paid accordingly.
In a nutshell, the CSA, once again, seems to have gone cheap at a time when we need to invest.
Why did we bid for the U-21 WC again?
I don't have the time to put forth a research project for this, but what I would do is first look at the teams that have qualified. I'd then exclude the high budget teams such as England, Germany, Brazil, etc from the equation (say, take the lowest 13 of the qualified). From there you can determine an average going rate. There's your "coach" budget.
After this, conduct a seach, and play w/ the budget as required, say within 10-15%.
Not having done this reseach project, I don't have the answers. No doubt, the CSA did this, and likely determined that the going rate was simply too high, and went w/ the next best option: Mitchel...a proven U-21 coach, succesful domestic and international player for Canada, patriotic, all around good guy, but does not have the experience at this levle, and likely isn't being paid accordingly.
In a nutshell, the CSA, once again, seems to have gone cheap at a time when we need to invest.
Why did we bid for the U-21 WC again?
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We bid for the U20 WC because we had a coach in place that was and is, getting us results 
Fair enough on not doing a research project but then I would argue that you can't throw out things like going cheap or 'next best option'. Your points are moot w/o showing at least some semblance of critical thinking ( which I know you are more than capable of )
Simoes wanted upwards of $2 million per year and to bring in his own people.
Let's start there...
Fair enough on not doing a research project but then I would argue that you can't throw out things like going cheap or 'next best option'. Your points are moot w/o showing at least some semblance of critical thinking ( which I know you are more than capable of
)Simoes wanted upwards of $2 million per year and to bring in his own people.
Let's start there...
There is way more money available than you know. Dont kid yourselves. There always is. Cut some of the CSA's saleries for starters. Over paid and do nothing for Soccer Canada. A very bad choise for sure. Why we strive for mediocracey(sp check not workin) is crazy...Mabee its so we keep thinking there is no money and all the CSA people can keep makeing more money than our national team coach eh. Just my opinion, but the National team coach should be paid more than the Coq minor soccer President and more than the CSA and BC Soccer people. Our National Team coach should be the highest paid person in Soccer Canada.
CSA somehow found a million dollars to give to Pipe as severance (aka golden handshake).
Question: Only occasions, sponsors logos on National Team jerseys??? More money definitely needs to be generated. Merchandising is one. No tv revenue since Canada hardly plays friendlies with decent teams.
And why is the national team training in places like Bermuda. 5-6 days of trainings and playing games against local sides. Money not worth spending.
Maybe need to setup something like the Australians. National team meets in Europe every 3-4 months and they play top calibre teams. In the meantime, bring back the national training centre to SFU (and not run by the Whitecaps).
And when is the adidas sponsorship up. Pipe signed the worst deal ever.
Question: Only occasions, sponsors logos on National Team jerseys??? More money definitely needs to be generated. Merchandising is one. No tv revenue since Canada hardly plays friendlies with decent teams.
And why is the national team training in places like Bermuda. 5-6 days of trainings and playing games against local sides. Money not worth spending.
Maybe need to setup something like the Australians. National team meets in Europe every 3-4 months and they play top calibre teams. In the meantime, bring back the national training centre to SFU (and not run by the Whitecaps).
And when is the adidas sponsorship up. Pipe signed the worst deal ever.
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