Dale Mitchell

[jungleboy]

yallop jumped to the LA Galaxy for $300,000 and that was a big raise for him. So I doubt CSA would have wanted to pay much more so they instead went cheaper and decided on more dinners for CSA executives.

Check out http://www.mlsplayers.org/files/5_2_07_salary_info_club.pdf for MLS player salaries. Some players are getting as low as $12,900 a year. In north america, we aren't spending much on soccer. Coaches will fit in that same category.

 

[Regs]

Yallop didn't leave because of money. Well, he did, but not due to his salary.

As for cutting "CSA wages"... who do you cut back on? They don't have anyone to pay really right now other than office staff and coaches in the other national programs. Board of Directors? They are paid nada as far as I'm aware.

 

[jungleboy]

two folds for Yallop. bigger contract and for more years equals more security for his family. no one blames him for that. Crying for more money for the national program was getting tiresome was the other.

Last year up at Whistler when Sparky and Kuschy were brown nosing with Yallop, Yallop sure enjoyed his free drinks from a B Cup team with a bigger budget than he had and he gave his own head a shake. No right peg was heard singing "got his hands in Yallops pocket, got his hands in Yallops pocket". Problem there was no money in his pocket. The following week, he quit.

 

[jungleboy]

from canadakicks:


Canadian Soccer's $50 Million Question

Written by Bill Ault
Tuesday, 12 December 2006

There has been a lot of talk recently about budgets, in particular the budget of the Canadian Soccer Association, which is estimated at about $13 million with about five of that going to our national team programs. The figures are estimated because in this country trying to pry the true budgets out of clubs, districts, provincial associations and not just the national governing body is akin to stealing the crown jewels – not easily done.

Even estimating based on what is published makes the waters murky – the Ontario Soccer Association last published budget (kudos to the OSA for doing so) puts their annual budget at about $9 million or about $25 for every registered player in the province. Manitoba’s published budget meanwhile comes in at just over a million or, wait for it, $65 per registered player.

The discrepancy, a topic for a whole other discussion, makes it difficult to extrapolate numbers for the provinces which do not publish their figures – but making an educated guess the budget totals for the national and provincial associations would probably in total come in at around $40 million.

Next up come the district associations and clubs. Again hard to estimate given so few allow open access to their budgets but a number do and so a conservative estimate based on the district numbers known or are published and the clubs that have a $500,000 plus annual budget (again known or published) a good round number would be $10 million.

So to sum up, that’s $50 million budgeted for the game in Canada – annually for let’s say the last decade – or a half BILLION dollars.

Obviously that is a lot of money. What have we gotten for our half billion? Well let’s start small and work our way up…

A world class coaching education system for our grassroot coaches where all things begin and the greatest influence on the development of a player is to be found? Um, no.

Top class coaches working diligently with clubs across the country to improve standards of play and development? Er, no.

Okay then hundreds of great facilities scattered about so at least our players can play on a decent surface, use a “facility” other than a bush when nature calls and have a post game shower? Nope.

A charter or standard published by our national governing body that point out to the clubs best practices, coaching and playing standards and the expectations from our national team coaches? Nada.

Five or six soccer specific showcase stadiums with seating for 12 to 20,000 fans? Zip.

A national team program that is the envy of the western world? Okay the western hemisphere? How about our FIFA region? North America? North of the 401 and west of Jane but east of Windsor? No, not likely, surely you jest, not in this lifetime, in that order….

We have though gotten one world class entity for our money something that seems so natural to this country that we often overlook it and don’t often recognize it until it is way too late – a world class bureaucratic FC up.

At times it seems we have almost as many administrators in this country as we do players and the further up stream you travel the worse it gets.

The vast majority of clubs, thanks to the thousands of man hours put in by volunteers survive with one or even no paid help with even the largest clubs usually only having two full time positions. The districts two to three people. Then it gets crazy. Check online sometime to see how many staff are listed with your provincial association – I found one with 30 – if you can do better (or worse as it were) let me know.

Absolute lunacy. The provincial associations are basically in place to govern the districts, run coaching education and the provincial teams programs. The district associations meanwhile basically govern the clubs and handle registration for the provincial body and by extension the national association. Can you say redundant? I knew you could.

Although it will likely never happen the process in this country needs to be streamlined.

The middlemen – the provincial associations – need to be eliminated. But who would do all the work they do now you ask? The national and regional associations – who should be doing it in the first place…

The grand plan:

Amalgamate the districts into regions based on population of 50,000. This would mean, give or take, two districts in BC, two in Alberta, two serving Saskatchewan and Manitoba, seven in Ontario, three in Quebec and one in the Maritimes. There are currently districts that handle the registration and governance of clubs with 50,000 members and they do it well – in this day and age there is no administrative need for more than this.

Players would register directly with the CSA through their region since there would no longer be a provincial body. It’s the same paperwork but instead of sending to your provincial headquarters you send it to Ottawa. That was easy.

Player development belongs with the clubs – leave it there. Turn existing district programs into regional identification programs leading directly to national training centers. Establish a national training center in each of the regions so players across the country are identified directly by national team personnel on the recommendation of regional and more importantly club coaches.

The club coaches would be able to perform this task better because as part their mandate regional coaches hired and trained (and answering directly to) by our national technical director would convey to club coaches on a regular basis just what the expectations and standards for the development of competitive players at each stage would be.

One final change allow every member of the CSA to vote directly for the people running the ship – one less thing for the middlemen.

I’m willing to bet that this and a lot more can be accomplished on $50 million a year.

 

[Dude]

Regs: If Utah's numbers are accurate: yes. I think $500K is in fact cheap.

$2M / year...appears about going rate. Can we justify it...well, I'd argue yes, if the contract were incentive laden to get the team qualified. I.e.: $500K / year up front, w/ a windfall bonus for qualifying.

Other than this, you won't get much more critical thinking out of me because, you know, I'm busy, and fcuk off already.

 

[Tim Berners-Lee]

Who's the canadian coach in the msl that keeps winning?

 

[Skanky CDMTC Blonde]

I get it; the Board didn't want to spend the kind of money it would have cost to get a Brazilian ...

Hellooo boys! Now are you getting into my area of being sooo expert! Mr. Canuck you are wrongooo!

You can get this done over here at Europia In Edgemont Village for $65 (although personaly I only go there in an emergency! )

But downtown Vancouver is the way to go gere! The Spa at the Century is good at $80 and PinkLime is also $80 but I say if you are going to go Yaletown go to Oasis!...just 5 dollars more for the Board to spend than PinkLime(hopefully that is not literally why they call the BOard that because that is mean...if it is and she needs plastic surgery advice ask me! Contacts sweetie! )

And why not make an evening of it anyway how about a cocktail at the lounge at Opus later, and then some yummy Sushi at Bluewater (tell Yoshi I said HI!!)

But all in all it doesnt cost 500,000 or two millions not even close!

Smooch!

 

[Captain Shamrock]

I think salary goes with goals. If we want to be a top 50 team then be prepared to invest in a coach and his associates. If you are happy as a national program with finishing anywhere from 51-151 then absolutely hire a coach for 50-60,000 a year. Who gives a shite right.

Exactly.......until we have a legitimate league here for players to go to, we're ****ed......Dale Mitchell with do a good job for an exceptionally average National Football team.

 

[ghouse]

Jaclynn at Opus on Davie is $35 and she is the best in the city,,I do know as that is my business but the real story here is we do have the funds and they are not being spent in the right place..I agree with Jungleboy (he may need a manzilian) We have way to many staff in this country running soccer programs with way to high saleries. I like all your ideas Jungle but how to get the CSA to listen ,,that is the real question.
This is exsactly why I started the OCCWQ. I cant sit back anymore and wait for these idiots to deside the fait of our Soccer program. Ya my drop in the bucket wont do much,,but it will open some eyes. If we all add a drop,,we can hopefully knock a few heads and mabee just mabee we may get some kind of result. Something is better than nothing and I bet somewhere in our CSA system there is a person who will agree with us and one day he/she,,, cross your fingers , may come to power and this problem will get fixed.

The way I look at it is,the people in charge everywhere now have done nothing to really help Soccer Canada..rank 102..Its time for change,,,new blood,,It cant get worse.
It seems to me that they all strive for mediocracy (sp check not workin) and why is that,,Mabee and I think its to stay below the radar,,to keep their jobs and cash their cheques,,,
We need a shake up...

 

[canucklehead]

Its time for change,,,new blood,,It cant get worse.
It seems to me that they all strive for mediocracy (sp check not workin) and why is that,,Mabee and I think its to stay below the radar,,to keep their jobs and cash their cheques,,,
We need a shake up...

WIth Pipe and Sharp out, there is "new blood" but its the same old thing. This was supposed to happen when Montagliani and Linford went in. But once you get to T.O. you become like the last group of backwards-thinking morons you've just replaced and take care of yourself first and **** the program.The bottom line is that anyone who gets involved with the CSA is out for personal gain and the development of the national program is backburner. Consider that they spend all of 4 million on the senior mens program last year with 8 friendlies and its no wonder that Yallop left. Pipes severance alone equalled a 1/4 of what they spent on the program in 2006.

 

[AntiFan]

What about Brazillian... Sounds like the skank might have a few conections