Div 2 [FVSL Div. 2] Promotion/Relegation Format 2005/2006

[guru]

I didn't say the two groups would be tiered maybe it came out like that but I just said 2 groups of 10.

I see... Then I agree entirely.... it sounded as though you meant an upper and lower div 2... the way you meant it is the way I was saying it should be a while back... It was not a jab at you in any event... it was just a comment....

This thread is not one to take the piss on anyone, it's more of a banter session to discuss a better method..... however, I doubt the league even looks here.

I definately don't think more tiers is the answer, but better structure within the tiers. If that can be achieved, then Promotion to the level teams should be at would be swift, as well as better "parity" within the groups.

Maybe having a pyrimid system.
Starting with one Premier group of 10 (plus CAT of 10)
Then 2 Div 1 groups of 10. (A & B) The top team from each group promoted, the bottom 2 from Premier relegated.... 1 to group A, and 1 to group B.
Then 2 Div 2 groups of 10 (A & B) where the top from Group A would be promoted to Div 1 Group A, and the top of Groups B would go up to Div 1 Group B (or even a cross over)

And so on down to Div 3 or 4

Yould still get the top 2 from each Division, but there would be two sides all the way up till you reach Premier.

Guru for World Litre!!!

 

[bulljive]

see 2 div 1 groups of 10 is going too weaken the league in my opinion. Right now there are not even 10 really strong teams in div 1. adding another 10 will just water it down even more. I think if you keep it at 10 and have div 2 teams having tighter competition they will come into div 1 better prepared. In a few years div 1 will be a lot stronger from top too bottom. This will hopefully filter up too premier where a strong div 1 team with tight competition every single weekend has a better shot of staying out of the relegation zone when they get too premier. At the moment anyway fvsl is not anywhere strong enough to hold a 20 team div 1. It will basically become div 2 like and the team being promoted will never stay up.

 

[DJGMC]

I think that Guru's last post was pretty close to what we need. However, I think 20 teams in div 2 is more realistic than 20 in div 1.

Premier 10
Cat 10
1st 10
2A 10
2B 10
3A 15-20
3B 15-20

or 3A 10
3B 10
4A 10
4B 10


This would prob be the best layout. Promotion and Relegation as Guru stated.

 

[bored]

Why not call Div 4 the Gary Corr Division?

Thats funny. But seriously if I can add to that, the Gary Corr Division would need to be floating. As more teams and then divisions are added the Gary Corr Division would have to be the lowest, always, without fail.

 

[guru]

Premier 10
Cat 10
1st 10
2A 10
2B 10
3A 15-20
3B 15-20

This would prob be the best layout. Promotion and Relegation as Guru stated.

Bullshite / Discjockeygeneralmotorscanada ... You two are probably right that 1st would be watered down with 20.... my only comment with that is that the top 5 to 10 in second are very close, and the botom 5 in 1st are not much different than that, any of those 25 teams could be close. The top 5 of 1st are not much different than the bottom 4 in premier. In my opinion premier has gone down hill over the past two years. The only reason I said 20 in 1st div, was so that we could have two completely seperat routes to premier. A south and north, or an east and west, or even randomly by a "Gary Core" and "Bored" groups.... I was just tossing out an idea for agrument.... I really like the one above though. It keeps the divisions to a minimum, and still allows for less teams in each div. than there is now. No matter whether a team is playing just to play some soccer (like the DFC Celtic) or whether the team wants to move up the ladder, ALL players once they go on the park, want to play to win and be competitive. I'd say in the whole mens league, there's no one who cares less than me about whether we win or lose, but once I'm on the park, I hate to lose... and if we're getting blown out, or are blowing out a team, it's not fun.

DJ, I think you should send this scenario to the FVSL board for there viewing... tell them Guru said it was ok to make the changes for next year

 

[guru]

Thats funny. But seriously if I can add to that, the Gary Corr Division would need to be floating. As more teams and then divisions are added the Gary Corr Division would have to be the lowest, always, without fail.

Tee hee.... Sids floating.... I'd like to see that defiance of gravity!!!!!

Actually, Sid is the "anti" floating.... or.... the "anti" cream.... he would always sink to the bottom.... Which is where he likes it! in the bottom.... tee hee ..... I kill me

 

[STD]

there's no one who cares less than me about whether we win or lose, but once I'm on the park, I hate to lose...

If you hate to lose than why are you on the park?

 

[Dude]

The top 5 of 1st are not much different than the bottom 4 in premier.

Ummm...no.

Guru, you're cooked.

Maybe (big maybe) the bottom two are on par w/ the top two div. 1 sides, but that is only because the bottom two this year suck especially bad...assuming Whaley and DFC keep those honors. Last season, DFC basically dominated the 1st division...they earned their promotion. This year...big struggle, and they'd be far worse off if Whaley hadn't had their internal problems this season, and could compete like they did last.

Beyond Aldergrove, none of the other 1st div teams would compete in Prem...maybe not even Aldergrove. I know, see Rangers vs. LUFC, Pak, last year (thanks in advance Fil or Stepchild), but out of 5 games, that'd be their one win.

 

[guru]

If you hate to lose than why are you on the park?

Someone has to keep these games close

 

[guru]

Ummm...no.

Guru, you're cooked.

Maybe (big maybe) the bottom two are on par w/ the top two div. 1 sides,

Beyond Aldergrove, none of the other 1st div teams would compete in Prem...maybe not even Aldergrove.

The bottom 4 in premier are terrible, they can't compete in Premier. Sporting, Poco, DFC and Whalley are all poor premier teams. The top 6 in 1st div would not be blown out by any of these teams. They would be closer games with this 10 teams, than the premier teams are against the top 6 in premier.

Sporting and Whalley are on par with last year, and Poco is far worse than last year. As for DFC, they are worse than last year as well. They relied on Wa.... er #22, and this year he's been hurt. They lost a few players that got them there, and the've had tons of injuries, so they're playing with CAT players and players from our team. None of the bottom 4 in Premier are what I'd call premier callibre. They could drop that to 8 teams and it would be better, but I don't think that's the answer. In a couple of years it'll swing back to being better "parity".

 

[DJGMC]

Bullshite / Discjockeygeneralmotorscanada ... You two are probably right that 1st would be watered down with 20.... my only comment with that is that the top 5 to 10 in second are very close, and the botom 5 in 1st are not much different than that, any of those 25 teams could be close. The top 5 of 1st are not much different than the bottom 4 in premier. In my opinion premier has gone down hill over the past two years. The only reason I said 20 in 1st div, was so that we could have two completely seperat routes to premier. A south and north, or an east and west, or even randomly by a "Gary Core" and "Bored" groups.... I was just tossing out an idea for agrument.... I really like the one above though. It keeps the divisions to a minimum, and still allows for less teams in each div. than there is now. No matter whether a team is playing just to play some soccer (like the DFC Celtic) or whether the team wants to move up the ladder, ALL players once they go on the park, want to play to win and be competitive. I'd say in the whole mens league, there's no one who cares less than me about whether we win or lose, but once I'm on the park, I hate to lose... and if we're getting blown out, or are blowing out a team, it's not fun.

DJ, I think you should send this scenario to the FVSL board for there viewing... tell them Guru said it was ok to make the changes for next year

I will send out an email to the exec one of these days with the suggestion and ask them if they are thinking of any changes over the next season or two. Any info I get will get posted back here. I think that setup would keep good balance and increase the competition in div 2 quite a bit. Promotion and relegation is simple and all divisions will benefit.