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Fcuk the NDP
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Yes!
Can we now get the HST back into play?
As a former political science student, wow. As crazy a win as the 1996 Clark win. Can't wait to see what happens federally with Mr. Trudeau.
Yes!
Can we now get the HST back into play?
What sold you Regs? was it Cristy just sitting around a cafe with a multicultural group of friends that looked to include every demographic in the Western world, chatting about politics. I have to say I appreciated a positive campaign from the NDP, I'm sick of the smear campaigns. Hopefully Cristy loses her seat, thats all I got at this point.
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Nothing "sold" me.
The irony of you mentioning smear campaigns with a reference to "sitting around a cafe with a multicultural group of friends that looked to include every demographic in the Western world, chatting about politics" is not lost on me
Perhaps in 10 years time, you'll look back and laugh and say how you were young back then.
Perhaps in 10 years time when global warming, (which canadians will have contributed to greatly with tar sands), has made life on this planet worse, we will look back and not laugh but regret not electing more politicians with guts and leadership on this issue. I have to look for a silver lining in the cloud and say go Andrew Weaver.Nothing "sold" me.
The irony of you mentioning smear campaigns with a reference to "sitting around a cafe with a multicultural group of friends that looked to include every demographic in the Western world, chatting about politics" is not lost on me
Perhaps in 10 years time, you'll look back and laugh and say how you were young back then.
NDP can only blame themselves....maybe it they selected a better leader the vote wouldnt have been so lobsided
Agreed, Dix just comes across as unlikeable and too weak to lead. Unfortunately I feel it is time for change but I digress. Global warming, foreign investment, plenty of things to look back on and say we really weren't looking out for the future were we.
It doesn't matter who the leader is, the party is incapable of governing. They appeal to the segment of society that has become so withdrawn from reality that they have ceased to be relevant (read organized labour. the likes of BCTF, BCGEU, BC Fed of Labour etc etc) The NDP grossly misjudged the fact that the economy is first and foremost EVERYONE'S top priority when deciding where you're going to put that "x". But hey, he's "really proud of the campaign they ran"
johnnybluenose
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agree with Bronco, I spend a lot of time elsewhere in this province. BC is not just the Lower Mainland, and southern Vancouver Island- this is what Dix and his bag of dicks missed. Any wealth from this province comes from the resources in the central and northern interior and the south east coal, and the heavy industrial export ports on the coast only exist to facilitate this. 15% (FCUK!) of the economy is a direct spinoff from Mining alone...nevermind indirect suppliers, consultant etc. Forestry, Gas, etc is also a major contributing factor. I spent the evening in my hotel room watching with glee last night. I spent the day today at a heavily unionized mine, where it is about as toxic an employer/employee environment as I've seen outside of the Vancouver Docks... To a man they were doing barrell rolls that their area ridings all went red.
The rest of the Province has seen the "We'll serve your services to you up there someday and we have no plan to pay for it, but you can't have Oil, Gas, Pipelines, Mining or viable forestry to pay for it" plan play out before.
The swath of gained Liberal seats are in the interior. Harry Lali lost his seat and pollsters were dead wrong that guys like Terry Lake was going to lose theirs.
Hipsters in Vancouver who've never had sweat accumulation on their brow outside of hot yoga have no fcuking clue or idiots like Gregor Roberston wouldn't be mayor of Vancouver. There's a small ignorant segment of BC living in places like East Van (a TTP sometime poster last night had a great tweet about "Jenny Kwan could launch a coup d etat, commit genocide, and still handily win Vancouver-Mt Pleasant") I give you the ideas of bike lines, closing the viaducts, making a derelict shitty hotel nobody went to a heritage building (but foul smelling bearded hipsters) etc.
People in Vancouver don't have any impact on their daily life if Enbridge NG get's built...oh wait! Global Warming!!!
Guess what, until "Beam Me Up Scotty" technology gets invented we need fossil fuels. If you want to debate that I expect you to move to the hills and find a cave, sans iPhone, Macbook Pro, JCrew Plaid Shirts, Gap Rolled up jeans, Starbucks Lattes, Aldo Brogues & VW Tiguan.
~If it's not grown or killed, it's mined.
The rest of the Province has seen the "We'll serve your services to you up there someday and we have no plan to pay for it, but you can't have Oil, Gas, Pipelines, Mining or viable forestry to pay for it" plan play out before.
The swath of gained Liberal seats are in the interior. Harry Lali lost his seat and pollsters were dead wrong that guys like Terry Lake was going to lose theirs.
Hipsters in Vancouver who've never had sweat accumulation on their brow outside of hot yoga have no fcuking clue or idiots like Gregor Roberston wouldn't be mayor of Vancouver. There's a small ignorant segment of BC living in places like East Van (a TTP sometime poster last night had a great tweet about "Jenny Kwan could launch a coup d etat, commit genocide, and still handily win Vancouver-Mt Pleasant") I give you the ideas of bike lines, closing the viaducts, making a derelict shitty hotel nobody went to a heritage building (but foul smelling bearded hipsters) etc.
People in Vancouver don't have any impact on their daily life if Enbridge NG get's built...oh wait! Global Warming!!!
Guess what, until "Beam Me Up Scotty" technology gets invented we need fossil fuels. If you want to debate that I expect you to move to the hills and find a cave, sans iPhone, Macbook Pro, JCrew Plaid Shirts, Gap Rolled up jeans, Starbucks Lattes, Aldo Brogues & VW Tiguan.
~If it's not grown or killed, it's mined.
Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, you guys (JBN and Bronco) don't have a clue about what you are talking about. This province will be in a complete ruins especially with Chrusty at the helm. Let's sell everything, rivers, mountains, water, to provide a healthy prosperous province for our kids. When the province goes on strike and your kids are not in school you can blame her. Actually you guys won't have to worry your kids will be in private school. This was a fourth consecutive vote where the retarded voters of this province have yet again voted for a criminal enterprise.
BrianPicard
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The only criminal I recall in this election was Dix (suitable name) but he was only 35 so I guess we should have forgave and forgot his act from years past??.... Dix was lacking both a pulse and any charisma what so ever. His shtick is so robotic I wanted to drop coins in the hat sitting on the ground in front of him.
Couple of points. Selling assets seemed to be the only thing that Dix committed to. BC Place was to have a for sale sign in front of it By Wednesday morning had the unthnkable happened.
My kids are already in private school. I don't get held hostage by union swine (BCTF) and their neverending littany of demands.
Here's to 4 more years of stable and business friendly government. Boy, I'd hate to be one of those career union types right about now!!!!
johnnybluenose
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robj, you mean to say that this was the fourth consecutive vote that the majority of BC'ers didn't want to hand the province over to the Pro-Labour Hyper-Socialist NDP and you don't agree with that because now the Labour movement will have a potentially more difficult time sucking the cream off the top of the public purse.
Criminal Enterprise is strong wording. All political parties and ruling governments deal with scandal, some small and insignificant (like a gaming license for a deck) to some that are mostly insignificant but smell awful because of optics (Mike Duffy taking a loan from the PM's CoS to cover mis-claimed secondary housing expenses) to some that have left people sour, with pro's and con's but were done with the best interests of the people at heart (perhaps) (HST and BC Rail)
Like I said before: Public Sector workers having too much of a say is dangerous. People in the Northern and Interior Communities are there because of Industry. If not for Pulp & Paper, Forestry and being a gateway town to the North for Mining and Oil & Gas, Prince George wouldn't be a 90k populace to command x number of Police Officers, Doctors, Nurses, HEU workers, GEU Workers, ICBC Employees, Teachers etc etc etc. Same applies to Kamloops, Williams Lake, Kitimat, Terrace, Quesnel, Sparwood, Fernie, Cranbrook, Mackenzie, Fort St John, Taylor, Chetwynd, Tumbler Ridge, Dease Lake, Atlin, Stewart, Prince Rupert, etc.
2.3M people live in Metro Vancouver
760k people live on Vancouver Island (345k in Metro Vic and 100k in Nanaimo)
But there's 4.4M people in all of BC, and the census' don't count First Nations on Reserve, and guess what- There's not a majority of First Nations living on the South Coast and in and around the populated areas of VI. ~25% of the people of the province live where ~75-80% of the resource economy is being harvested. What industry is here in Metro? Ports to export our harvests and the Engineering Firms, Lawyers, Financial People, Supplier Network etc that support those industries.
Issues relevant to those in the Interior are MUCH MORE relevant than the people from Metro Van and the East Island. Tankers in the Port of Vancouver (which already are there, but I digress) is not a concern for someone in Kamloops... What is relevant to the guy in Kamloops is that his kid can get an apprenticeship in say Welding on the KM Twinning project instead of getting a degree at TRU and then flipping burgers or working as a bank teller, the KM Pipeline will reroute a significant chunk of the pipeline running through 'Loops to run around 'Loops and provide additional moneys to fund education and healthcare expenditures in their community to facilitate them not having to come to Vancouver for specialist services.
Think of what would bring better Hospitals and Service to a place like Terrace. Is it just spending made possible by an increase on taxation? Or would it be from growth due to a boom caused by the $70B(almost entirely private sector moneys as Hydro is only expanding to facilitate these investments) in planned investment where Terrace is the anchor?
-Fortune Minerals Arctos Anthracite Coal Project
-Red Chris Mine
-North West Transmission (Hydro)
-BC LNG
-Kitimat LNG
-Douglas Channell Partnership
-Shell LNG Canada
-Seabridge Gold KSM Mine
-Avanti's Kitsault Moly Mine
-Forest Kerr, McLymont Creek, & Volcano Creek Hydro Developments
-Pretivm's Brucejack Mine
-Prince Rupert/Ridley island Terminal Upgrade
...I could go on and on as there's a lot more on the books- fact is that if there's no private sector jobs, people leave and when they do the public sector jobs have to because there's no one left to service in Hospitals and Schools.
You can responsibly and sustainably develop an economy. This doesn't have to be an eco-freak hipsters vs oil thristy profit blood suckers debate. Modern Pipeline, Mining, Oil and Gas technology is available. The blights David Suzuki and co point to are often in jurisdictions with no codes/standards/enforcement to make some companies do the right thing. As an example there's a mine currently in the development phase which will use an asphalt core tailings dam. This is an additional safeguard to ensure no leakage and provides further seismic event protection for the surrounding environs. This is decades old technology from Scandinavia. This company is doing this because it's the right thing to do, not because someone is making them do it.
Criminal Enterprise is strong wording. All political parties and ruling governments deal with scandal, some small and insignificant (like a gaming license for a deck) to some that are mostly insignificant but smell awful because of optics (Mike Duffy taking a loan from the PM's CoS to cover mis-claimed secondary housing expenses) to some that have left people sour, with pro's and con's but were done with the best interests of the people at heart (perhaps) (HST and BC Rail)
Like I said before: Public Sector workers having too much of a say is dangerous. People in the Northern and Interior Communities are there because of Industry. If not for Pulp & Paper, Forestry and being a gateway town to the North for Mining and Oil & Gas, Prince George wouldn't be a 90k populace to command x number of Police Officers, Doctors, Nurses, HEU workers, GEU Workers, ICBC Employees, Teachers etc etc etc. Same applies to Kamloops, Williams Lake, Kitimat, Terrace, Quesnel, Sparwood, Fernie, Cranbrook, Mackenzie, Fort St John, Taylor, Chetwynd, Tumbler Ridge, Dease Lake, Atlin, Stewart, Prince Rupert, etc.
2.3M people live in Metro Vancouver
760k people live on Vancouver Island (345k in Metro Vic and 100k in Nanaimo)
But there's 4.4M people in all of BC, and the census' don't count First Nations on Reserve, and guess what- There's not a majority of First Nations living on the South Coast and in and around the populated areas of VI. ~25% of the people of the province live where ~75-80% of the resource economy is being harvested. What industry is here in Metro? Ports to export our harvests and the Engineering Firms, Lawyers, Financial People, Supplier Network etc that support those industries.
Issues relevant to those in the Interior are MUCH MORE relevant than the people from Metro Van and the East Island. Tankers in the Port of Vancouver (which already are there, but I digress) is not a concern for someone in Kamloops... What is relevant to the guy in Kamloops is that his kid can get an apprenticeship in say Welding on the KM Twinning project instead of getting a degree at TRU and then flipping burgers or working as a bank teller, the KM Pipeline will reroute a significant chunk of the pipeline running through 'Loops to run around 'Loops and provide additional moneys to fund education and healthcare expenditures in their community to facilitate them not having to come to Vancouver for specialist services.
Think of what would bring better Hospitals and Service to a place like Terrace. Is it just spending made possible by an increase on taxation? Or would it be from growth due to a boom caused by the $70B(almost entirely private sector moneys as Hydro is only expanding to facilitate these investments) in planned investment where Terrace is the anchor?
-Fortune Minerals Arctos Anthracite Coal Project
-Red Chris Mine
-North West Transmission (Hydro)
-BC LNG
-Kitimat LNG
-Douglas Channell Partnership
-Shell LNG Canada
-Seabridge Gold KSM Mine
-Avanti's Kitsault Moly Mine
-Forest Kerr, McLymont Creek, & Volcano Creek Hydro Developments
-Pretivm's Brucejack Mine
-Prince Rupert/Ridley island Terminal Upgrade
...I could go on and on as there's a lot more on the books- fact is that if there's no private sector jobs, people leave and when they do the public sector jobs have to because there's no one left to service in Hospitals and Schools.
You can responsibly and sustainably develop an economy. This doesn't have to be an eco-freak hipsters vs oil thristy profit blood suckers debate. Modern Pipeline, Mining, Oil and Gas technology is available. The blights David Suzuki and co point to are often in jurisdictions with no codes/standards/enforcement to make some companies do the right thing. As an example there's a mine currently in the development phase which will use an asphalt core tailings dam. This is an additional safeguard to ensure no leakage and provides further seismic event protection for the surrounding environs. This is decades old technology from Scandinavia. This company is doing this because it's the right thing to do, not because someone is making them do it.
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