It least POCO did it with style, not only were players paid but gangsters were on the sideline making you feel uncomfortable. Didn’t stop us from knocking them out of the Pak with a team of plumbers, I believe Milad called us. Good times
Soolsma is paid to be the coach of Rovers. Call it fine lines if you want, and it certainly is a grey area, but most coaches at this level are paid, especially the ones that are part of large clubs with established youth programs. Do Rovers pay Soolsma over the odds because he is also a stud of a player? Probably. Should that preclude him from playing? Tough to say. He does run their practices etc. so he is "coaching" in some aspects. Obviously it is impossible to delineate where exactly the coaching stops and the playing begins, but I have a tough time reconciling Rovers with the other teams that "pay" their players. Soolsma is certainly tight with this group as it is not like the money he gets is pulling him away from some other team he would be playing for instead. Again, very grey area. However, nobody else on Rovers is compensated as far as I am aware. (Also @Regs FYI @robj is no longer with Rovers. He parted ways with them over the summer and actually, I believe, ran for a spot on the VMSL board, but was unsuccessful).
Rino's are now somewhat of an enigma. There were strong inferences that they were compensating players when they first got into Premier and of course Blaise makes a sizable sum for his "coaching." It is worth noting that Blaise is not the man with the purse strings, it is the mysterious "Dr. Mohammed" who was the man long thought to be funding the Tigers operation. He seems to have disappeared into the background somewhat over recent seasons. I heard from a reliable source that Elie Gindo was lured to Rino's by the promise of cash compensation last season, however, the main thing Rino's like to flout nowadays are Blaise's overseas and other professional connections. Looking at their roster this season, despite being top of the league, who would you pay other than Torabi? The group is mostly young guys, presumably recruited through Blaise's accademy, most, if not all, with aspirations of playing professionally. Most of their former standout players who were rumoured to be getting paid (Declan Rodrigues, Connor MacMillan, etc.) have left the club to pursue other actual professional opportunities. Gindo and Yli-Hietanen, plus supposedly the Polisis, have all traded in Rino's for CCB this season, so what does that say? I am not saying there is not money at Rino's, I am just saying it looks to be less clear cut than in the past perhaps. Maybe Dr. Mohammed has realized that paying players in an amateur league offers no return on his investment.
CCB are likely the most cut and dry example of a team that "pays" its players. That being said, no one has ever been able to prove it. There are copious rumours and plenty of anecdotal evidence based on the guys they attract, but not one shred of actionable proof. They have long be presumed to be a band of mercenaries and their roster and results have reflected that over the years with the team often struggling to field a team once their chances for trophies have faded. There were significant rumours of a large cash injection to the team last summer and their recruiting certainly seemed to back that up, but despite plenty of clamoring nobody produced any type of proof that the league could use. Instead, some people simply demanded action based purely on rumour and hearsay evidence.
So around and around we go on this carousel. Many people have professed to "know for sure" that players are being paid by a certain team, but no one ever does fcuk all about it. It often goes hand in hand with success. Inter and Chile used to be accused when they were winning Provincial titles, but now that they are no longer perennial contenders, suddenly no one "knows" anything about them any longer, despite the squads having many of the same players and management. At some point, it is either time to shite or get off the pot. Let's gather the evidence and hang these cheaters. Otherwise, shut up and get on with it.
When a player tells you directly to your face he received a win bonus I guess that is hearsay?Do you have proof of teams paying players?
Or do you just "know" it happens. Just like the rest of us...
Based on the definition of hearsay, unfortunately, yes.When a player tells you directly to your face he received a win bonus I guess that is hearsay?
Then report him to BC SoccerWhen a player tells you directly to your face he received a win bonus I guess that is hearsay?
The players won’t come forward due to fear. They need whistleblower protection.Are any of those players willing to walk into the league and say "Team X is paying me this amount of money?". In 40+ years I don't believe that has ever happened. Does anyone have texts or emails or other communication directly from the teams in question discussing payments to players?
So what the hell is the league supposed to do?
If I walk in and say "Team X is paying Player Y money to play for them and I 'know' because he told me" is the league suppose to simply believe me and immediately sanction the team and player?
Doesn't that seem like a slippery slope? Why wouldn't that team that is already cheating just turn around and lie and say they were told I pay my players too? I refer you to everyone's favourite ITC drama to demonstrate how teams react when they are accused of cheating.
I am not for one second denying that there are very likely teams paying their players. I've been around plenty long enough. In fact, one of the best things is the fact that more often than not we all get to witness the team allegedly paying their players often fall flat on their faces. CCB actually winning something this year is largely the exception rather than the rule.
What I am saying is this constant moaning about it gets incredibly tiresome. All sort of people are happy to come on here and assert that they "know" that certain teams are paying their players. However, not a single one of them has ever had the gaull to go to the league and layout the proof. Again, proof would need to be more than just your personal assertion that you "know" something. Proof would need to be something the league or BC Soccer or CSA or whatever governing body can stick in the accused team's face and say your guilty.
So, if you or anybody else has the proof let's get it out there and actually do something about this instead of just bemoaning the fact that we "know" it is happening.
Hey rationality!!!The players won’t come forward due to fear. They need whistleblower protection.
If a guy comes in showing they have been paid they will get suspended for taking the money.
If a player shows they have been offered money they are scared of saying something if it gangster related. I know a player scared shitless years ago as when word spread they were going to submit evidence three big guys showed up to their house and said if they do it won’t be in their best interest. Guys are scared in some cases and the others that don’t care are being paid by someone else why stop the gravy train it’s a no win. No one will ever come forward unless there is some protection in place. It’s a dead issue till then.
Nothing will come of it not worth wasting time talking about it.
Are any of those players willing to walk into the league and say "Team X is paying me this amount of money?". In 40+ years I don't believe that has ever happened. Does anyone have texts or emails or other communication directly from the teams in question discussing payments to players?
So what the hell is the league supposed to do?
If I walk in and say "Team X is paying Player Y money to play for them and I 'know' because he told me" is the league suppose to simply believe me and immediately sanction the team and player?
Doesn't that seem like a slippery slope? Why wouldn't that team that is already cheating just turn around and lie and say they were told I pay my players too? I refer you to everyone's favourite ITC drama to demonstrate how teams react when they are accused of cheating.
I am not for one second denying that there are very likely teams paying their players. I've been around plenty long enough. In fact, one of the best things is the fact that more often than not we all get to witness the team allegedly paying their players often fall flat on their faces. CCB actually winning something this year is largely the exception rather than the rule.
What I am saying is this constant moaning about it gets incredibly tiresome. All sort of people are happy to come on here and assert that they "know" that certain teams are paying their players. However, not a single one of them has ever had the gaull to go to the league and layout the proof. Again, proof would need to be more than just your personal assertion that you "know" something. Proof would need to be something the league or BC Soccer or CSA or whatever governing body can stick in the accused team's face and say your guilty.
So, if you or anybody else has the proof let's get it out there and actually do something about this instead of just bemoaning the fact that we "know" it is happening.
Why would these players cut off the hand that feeds them?? If people want to pay these guys that is on them to spend money for a silly investment. Until the league and governing body deals with this issues it will stay the same. Not blaming the players here and yes the FVSL is not innocent in all of this. POCO from years ago had a nice payroll and the guy helping run the team is now in the league office.The players won’t come forward due to fear. They need whistleblower protection.
If a guy comes in showing they have been paid they will get suspended for taking the money.
If a player shows they have been offered money they are scared of saying something if it gangster related. I know a player scared shitless years ago as when word spread they were going to submit evidence three big guys showed up to their house and said if they do it won’t be in their best interest. Guys are scared in some cases and the others that don’t care are being paid by someone else why stop the gravy train it’s a no win. No one will ever come forward unless there is some protection in place. It’s a dead issue till then.
Nothing will come of it not worth wasting time talking about it.
Dude? Did you single handily save Langley too?Paid or not you need all the fcuking help you can get to live in this province. Wish someone paid me 20 years ago before I wrecked my knee at Moberly.
Except the FVSL has now stopped it, and have things in place should it crop up again, no matter what size bum is sitting in the league chair.Why would these players cut off the hand that feeds them?? If people want to pay these guys that is on them to spend money for a silly investment. Until the league and governing body deals with this issues it will stay the same. Not blaming the players here and yes the FVSL is not innocent in all of this. POCO from years ago had a nice payroll and the guy helping run the team is now in the league office.
Dude? Did you single handily save Langley too?
Based on the definition of hearsay, unfortunately, yes.
Hearsay Definition:
Evidence that is offered by a witness of which they do not have direct knowledge but, rather, their testimony is based on what others have said to them.
"Hearsay is a statement, other than one made by the declarant while testifying at the trial or hearing, offered in evidence to prove the truth of the matter asserted."
For example, if Bob heard from Susan about an accident that Susan witnessed but that Bob had not, and Bob attempted to repeat in Court Susan's story as evidence of the accident, it could be objected to as hearsay.
Did you see the money? Did you see proof of the payment? Were there texts or other evidence asking about or discussing the money?
If THE PLAYER who told you also tells the league that he got paid (and better yet if he says "here is the money and/or other proof") then maybe the league could do something. But what happens if the league asks this player "did you get money" and he says no??? What happens if the league goes to the team that allegedly paid this player and says "we were told by @Sunday League Gaffer that you are paying your players and he knows because that player told him directly" and the team say you're lying, you just have it out for them???
This is the problem now and it has been the problem forever. Tell me, what is the league supposed to do about this?
I will be clear. I believe players get paid. I believe that a player would have told you specifically about a bonus he was receiving. I am not denying any of that.
But how is the league or BC Soccer or anyone else supposed to do anything about it with this kind of easily refuted "evidence"?
@mtkb any chance you want to chime in with a fully certified legal perspective???
I already did learn to read while you and wanker jerk each other off and write in these threadsHey @robj why aren't you speaking about the Hurricanes and the soolsma situation? Care to comment? Or you think someone going to show up at your door?