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Canucks - Linden- 2014/2015 changes [Off season]
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johnnybluenose
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How about this:
1. Be Average-below average again next season - hopefully in a lottery spot again.
2. Don't panic and trade any draft picks or youth developing
3. Maximize any trade value you can get for
5. Make some calculated UFA signings including some options below:
1. Be Average-below average again next season - hopefully in a lottery spot again.
2. Don't panic and trade any draft picks or youth developing
3. Maximize any trade value you can get for
- Edler
- Kesler
- Burrows
5. Make some calculated UFA signings including some options below:
- Paul Stastny (28 years old - likely won't be retained at market value based on Av's youth needing raises)
- Ryan Callahan (Flourished under Tort's [assuming Torts is staying] and is 29 and will likely be taking the same or less cash than what he's on now)
- Jaro Halak (28 years old, we need a veteran to play with Lack)
- Dave Bolland (28, Aggressive, and if the Nucks grab him Mr Base will shut up about being soft
Isn't your buddy Jerkinov on that team?
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Yes Johnny I agree with you. Nucks right now are like and old hooder gets up long last not there. Few trades are needed. Shana will add allot more speed to Toronto and also better D. Captain might be sent packing to Another team. Bolland would fit well here. We need better than Halak here. Stastny would also work here. Callahan would be a big plus. Your dreams sits well with many of us. Even old guy might last longer.
Yes. Last name: Onyermomov.
Money may grow on trees but I certainly don't have access to them. There is something fundamentally wrong how easily millions of dollars wasted gets dismissed, whether private or public money.
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Linden better not fcuk up or all the jym's will be gone. Linden was a so so plumber, Benning was a true plumber. Between two them club better win first spot in the group. Aqua boys are ready for a good fight. One can see season ticket guys back. But with out two better sisters and one better brother in the D nothing will change. Torts was smarter than that. He rented his place in Point Roberts. He is loughing all the way to Bank. One more dumb club like that and he can go and play golf in Florida for the rest of his life.
He just could not get the girly boys to play hockey.
He just could not get the girly boys to play hockey.
Well Ballbaby, in the case of the private firm wasting money, it depends where they waste it, you see.
In the case on the Mike Gillis buy-out, Mike lives in BC. He'll receive that money, and be taxed on it...so automatically, funds gleaned from private profits immediately go straight back into public accounts. What is left, it is presumed a large portion of those funds will be spent in BC over Mike's life- dollars returning to the local economy and tax system. Win for us.
In terms of Torts, we'll get some tax benefit, but most of his buyout will be spend in the US...so in that case, the money truly is "wasted".
That said, we, as taxpayers, generally win hand-over-fist when teams like the Canucks spend millions on hockey players that work and live locally. So, it's not really "wasted", you see. There is an enormously positive economic spin-off, both publicly and privately.
This is why capitalism always beats communism.
Back to hockey: poll on the Team this morning is Marc Crawford vs. Todd McClelland (assuming McClelland is axed from San Jose). Not sure I fancy a return of Crow to Vancouver, but would love to see McClelland here.
In the case on the Mike Gillis buy-out, Mike lives in BC. He'll receive that money, and be taxed on it...so automatically, funds gleaned from private profits immediately go straight back into public accounts. What is left, it is presumed a large portion of those funds will be spent in BC over Mike's life- dollars returning to the local economy and tax system. Win for us.
In terms of Torts, we'll get some tax benefit, but most of his buyout will be spend in the US...so in that case, the money truly is "wasted".
That said, we, as taxpayers, generally win hand-over-fist when teams like the Canucks spend millions on hockey players that work and live locally. So, it's not really "wasted", you see. There is an enormously positive economic spin-off, both publicly and privately.
This is why capitalism always beats communism.
Back to hockey: poll on the Team this morning is Marc Crawford vs. Todd McClelland (assuming McClelland is axed from San Jose). Not sure I fancy a return of Crow to Vancouver, but would love to see McClelland here.
Great that these gentleman will reinvest into our local economy. I was taking the philosophical view on how easy it is for some to disregard a few million bucks whether it gets reinvested or not. I just bought a Starbucks and feel guilty.
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- #53
Knowing Lindan I think we will see Albertan as a head coach here. He could swing few prospects our way. Crow did his thing. He might end up in Toronto or Washington. Todd on the other hand I don't think he will loose the job. His team just needs a better keepers.
I just can not see Lindan and Banning getting a guy smarter than both of them.
I just can not see Lindan and Banning getting a guy smarter than both of them.
Base...you seem to think that because Linden was a plumber and Benning was a plumber that it will make them plumber executives.
The reality is, the plumbers make the best execs, because they always had to work harder, and pay attention to detail. Patrick Roy is a bit of an anomally right now- a former superstar doing well as a coach. I'm not worried about Linden's abilities as an exec, and don't be mistaken, he is a smart dude.
The reality is, the plumbers make the best execs, because they always had to work harder, and pay attention to detail. Patrick Roy is a bit of an anomally right now- a former superstar doing well as a coach. I'm not worried about Linden's abilities as an exec, and don't be mistaken, he is a smart dude.
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Dude he might be smart in his own way but as a hockey guy I just don't see it. We all know where the problem is. One must first address the team players, getting better players would let old coach stay around. In my opinion this is a youth movement buy Linden. Sixteen mill later. Torts told the club after thirty games team is slow and weak. Gillis did nothing about it. Now Linden in charge is getting rid of all. Bunch of frack. All they needed was a good keeper in the summer months to stay with Lack. One big god darn D that can hit guys around the net and two guys like Tanner Gloss who can hit in the open ice. Trade Edler and Booth send Burrows to Rangers and get a bigger winger. No Linden is just like a kid in a china shop. Bust it all and hope you can put it together. Painful to watch what goes on. Linden points out how good of a man Torts is and than fires him. Torts has more ball in his left hand than linden will have in both hands.
Twins must go or this club will bottom out, Two guys on a first line with a 4 out of ten strength. They go or the go to line two. Who is next Lorn and Gillman. Luigi must be fricken pissed off.
Twins must go or this club will bottom out, Two guys on a first line with a 4 out of ten strength. They go or the go to line two. Who is next Lorn and Gillman. Luigi must be fricken pissed off.
The way I see all this:
1) Six, seven years ago Canucks hired a guy who has never been GM before. Still remember his first press conference during which he said no one was untouchable, etc. Then he keeps basically the same team he inherited from Burke/Noonis era. Yes, he added some new things like Salary Cap Specialist whose job was only to analyze how to fit everything under salary cap, Sleep Specialist who was planning the trips and making decisions whether to stay in one city over night or travel late, also a Specialist who was overseeing what and how players ate, etc. etc.
In 2011 Burke/Noonis' team peaked and made it to the Stanley Cup finals. That year Canucks deserved to win it but different refereeing approach during a regular season and play-offs was just too much to handle.
Anyway, after 1st round exit in 2012 it was time to break the team apart. Guys were getting older, too secure, too comfortable, literally feeling untouchable while not at their best anymore.
Gillis should have never been hired and his firing came too late. But, I thought the owners finally learned a lesson.
2) A month or so ago, the owners fire Gillis (long time overdue) and they hire Linden. Now, I always liked Linden as a player and I heard that he runs a successful business (his own). But, he is another unexperienced hockey GM which, I am afraid, may be an issue. Making statement "New GM will have to side with my philosophy" will make a lot of people thinking if it is worth being GM under unexperienced President whose philosophy must be followed and who always has the final say. So, are Canucks really going to be able to find a good and experienced GM who will want to work with a rookie President?
3) Firing Tortorela after only a year is ridiculous but obviously these owners have so much money that they can fire GM with 3 years left on contract and the coach with 4 years left on contract. Those contracts were worth millions of dollars. Somebody will say "Why do you care, it is not your money!?" which is correct but wasting money like that is possible only in a corporate hockey crazy market in which attending the game became like attending Queen Elizabeth Theatre and watching opera. Real fans cannot afford to buy hockey tickets so the atmosphere will continue being the same. How are they going to create fan crazy atmosphere when only corporations basically buy tickets?
4) Canucks held too long on some players. That will probably cost them as Flames or Oilers. Even if Linden is really good for that position it will take 5, 6 years to build a good team (as was one in 2011). Seeing how the coach is released after only a year and what kind of team he had will really make a lot of coaches thinking if it is worth coming to Vancouver. It looks to me that Canucks may end up with a coach who is desperate to coach in NHL and GM who is ready to be Linden's puppet (while the master really does not have any experience as an executive).
Finally, based on all I mentioned above, it looks to me that this murky situation will continue for a few years (at least).
1) Six, seven years ago Canucks hired a guy who has never been GM before. Still remember his first press conference during which he said no one was untouchable, etc. Then he keeps basically the same team he inherited from Burke/Noonis era. Yes, he added some new things like Salary Cap Specialist whose job was only to analyze how to fit everything under salary cap, Sleep Specialist who was planning the trips and making decisions whether to stay in one city over night or travel late, also a Specialist who was overseeing what and how players ate, etc. etc.
In 2011 Burke/Noonis' team peaked and made it to the Stanley Cup finals. That year Canucks deserved to win it but different refereeing approach during a regular season and play-offs was just too much to handle.
Anyway, after 1st round exit in 2012 it was time to break the team apart. Guys were getting older, too secure, too comfortable, literally feeling untouchable while not at their best anymore.
Gillis should have never been hired and his firing came too late. But, I thought the owners finally learned a lesson.
2) A month or so ago, the owners fire Gillis (long time overdue) and they hire Linden. Now, I always liked Linden as a player and I heard that he runs a successful business (his own). But, he is another unexperienced hockey GM which, I am afraid, may be an issue. Making statement "New GM will have to side with my philosophy" will make a lot of people thinking if it is worth being GM under unexperienced President whose philosophy must be followed and who always has the final say. So, are Canucks really going to be able to find a good and experienced GM who will want to work with a rookie President?
3) Firing Tortorela after only a year is ridiculous but obviously these owners have so much money that they can fire GM with 3 years left on contract and the coach with 4 years left on contract. Those contracts were worth millions of dollars. Somebody will say "Why do you care, it is not your money!?" which is correct but wasting money like that is possible only in a corporate hockey crazy market in which attending the game became like attending Queen Elizabeth Theatre and watching opera. Real fans cannot afford to buy hockey tickets so the atmosphere will continue being the same. How are they going to create fan crazy atmosphere when only corporations basically buy tickets?
4) Canucks held too long on some players. That will probably cost them as Flames or Oilers. Even if Linden is really good for that position it will take 5, 6 years to build a good team (as was one in 2011). Seeing how the coach is released after only a year and what kind of team he had will really make a lot of coaches thinking if it is worth coming to Vancouver. It looks to me that Canucks may end up with a coach who is desperate to coach in NHL and GM who is ready to be Linden's puppet (while the master really does not have any experience as an executive).
Finally, based on all I mentioned above, it looks to me that this murky situation will continue for a few years (at least).
The Twins need to go? They are FAR from the problem. Put them in the right role and right minutes and they will punch out 60-80 pts each next year. Use them as penalty killers, ask them to dump & chase, and play them into the ground...well...then you'll have issues.
Yes, Torts SAID those things, but as a coach he was in position to live or die by the youth in the organization. He chose to leave capable players either in the minors or on the bench. He killed his top 6 and D by overplaying them.
And I think it's funny...you have a guy that has spent all but, maybe, 10 of his 44 around rinks, playing at the highest levels the whole way, was an NHL Captain in at least two cities (trying to remember if he spent time wearing the C in Montreal), was the president of the player's union at arguably the league’s most contentious and challenging time, runs successful businesses away from hockey, is self-motivated and has taken on massive athletic challenges away from hockey...and you think that somehow he's NOT an ideal executive for a hockey team? The only thing I will acknowledge is that becoming president out of the hopper is maybe fast tracking it a bit, but he's well versed and skilled enough, and has the charisma, to attract the right people here to build an executive team around him.
But I don't know why I reply to you...making sense of your thinking is like trying to catch that little mouse running around in my warehouse. An impossible task, and just when I think I have the little cnut figured out, he confounds me again. You make me want to stab myself in the eyes.
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